Advice TC-14 or TC-17 on 300 f2.8 / 70-200 VR2

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Hi Everyone, I need to buy a TC for my 70-200 VR2 and 300mm f2.8 AF-S II (not purchased yet, looking) I was wondering your opinion as far as image quality especially shooting wide open using TC-14 or TC-17 on these lenses. I'd rather not buy both. I did have both of these TC's back in the day, I can't remember how they performed.

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Nick, I used both the TC-14e and the TC-17eII on my 300mm f/2.8 AF-S II with pretty good results. As long as you aren't trying for distance, the TCs will magnify the image pretty well. I usually stopped down 1 stop from open. For quite some time I left the TC-17 on the 300 almost permanently. Too bad you're in the UK as I will be selling my combo since I went ahead and bought a 500mm f/4.
I can't speak for the 70-200VR2. The only TC I will use on my VR1 is the TC-14e.
 
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Nick, I used both the TC-14e and the TC-17eII on my 300mm f/2.8 AF-S II with pretty good results. As long as you aren't trying for distance, the TCs will magnify the image pretty well. I usually stopped down 1 stop from open. For quite some time I left the TC-17 on the 300 almost permanently. Too bad you're in the UK as I will be selling my combo since I went ahead and bought a 500mm f/4.
I can't speak for the 70-200VR2. The only TC I will use on my VR1 is the TC-14e.

Aaron, thanks, seems the TC-17 is a better bet on the 300, I seem to remember i never put the 17 on my VR, is a shame you are in the US although I do have a friend in Chico, CA who brings things over now and then.

I've sort of gone full circle with camera equipment, I've gone from Nikon to Canon to Sony/Minolta and now back to Nikon :eek: reason I've come back to Nikon is I want a fast 300mm the Sony 300mm F2.8 is overpriced as is Canon's. I like the ergonomics on the Nikon more than the others.
 
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Both TCs are very usable on those 2 lenses, IMO. The TC-14e II will be hardly noticeable and can be used wide open. The TC-17e II will be more visible - I like to stop it down half a stop to f/5.6, it's too soft at 4.8 for me (more so on the 70-200 than on the 300/2.8, of course).

You didn't ask, but the TC-20e III is also quite usable on the 300/2.8 - but not wide open, you need to stop it down by 1 stop. Using the TC-20e III on the 70-200 VR II is also feasible if stopped down - I've had good results at f/8-11 with that combo.

But if wide open IQ is the most important for you, I'd stick with the TC-14!

Cheers

Mike
 
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on my 70-200vr2 the 1.4 is not bad even wide open
on my 300vr the 1.4 is invisible and the 1.7 is still very good

the safe bet is get a used 1.4 and see what you think
 
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I have the 300mm f2.8 AF-S VRII and use both the TC-17e II and TC-20e III, however the TC-20e III is my second one.
The first was attrocious with both the 300mm f2.8 AF-S VRII and 70-200 f2.8 VR II, so soft at extremes it was almost unusable. After taking it back to my local dealer, T4 cameras in Witney, they changed it for another. That one is fantastic even wide open and easily as good as the TC-17e II.
I guess I had a bad one.....
I don't have a TC-14e, doesn't give enough reach for me, so don't see the point.
But that is only my opinion:wink:
 
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Both TCs are very usable on those 2 lenses, IMO. The TC-14e II will be hardly noticeable and can be used wide open. The TC-17e II will be more visible - I like to stop it down half a stop to f/5.6, it's too soft at 4.8 for me (more so on the 70-200 than on the 300/2.8, of course).

You didn't ask, but the TC-20e III is also quite usable on the 300/2.8 - but not wide open, you need to stop it down by 1 stop. Using the TC-20e III on the 70-200 VR II is also feasible if stopped down - I've had good results at f/8-11 with that combo.

But if wide open IQ is the most important for you, I'd stick with the TC-14!

Cheers

Mike

Thanks, TC-20 for me would not be good especially stopping down, I really need to shoot wide open, I shoot race bikes and most of the time I end shooting through fences to get a decent angle. A shallow DOF will blur the chain link. Oh and we don't get many Sunny days here:smile:

Cheers

on my 70-200vr2 the 1.4 is not bad even wide open
on my 300vr the 1.4 is invisible and the 1.7 is still very good

the safe bet is get a used 1.4 and see what you think

Yes I'll probably do that, wouldn't be a costly experiment.

Cheers

I have the 300mm f2.8 AF-S VRII and use both the TC-17e II and TC-20e III, however the TC-20e III is my second one.
The first was attrocious with both the 300mm f2.8 AF-S VRII and 70-200 f2.8 VR II, so soft at extremes it was almost unusable. After taking it back to my local dealer, T4 cameras in Witney, they changed it for another. That one is fantastic even wide open and easily as good as the TC-17e II.
I guess I had a bad one.....
I don't have a TC-14e, doesn't give enough reach for me, so don't see the point.
But that is only my opinion:wink:

That's good to know re TC-20e, thanks.

Cheers

I use a TC-14e on my 70-200VRII with no noticeable image degradation. Even wide open, it's a great combo.

Cheers
 
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I am also wanting a TC for my 70-200VRII. Appears the 1.4 is a great choice with no degration of quality wide open. Those things are more expensive than what I thought though. However, for softball and FX the 200 just is not long enough.
 
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Thinks to all to help me decide, I've gone for a TC-17E II mainly because I couldn't find a used TC-14E, I'm sure will be good though.

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Good choice, Nick. D7K with that combo...climbed an adjacent tree to get
a semi-clear shot off. Handheld, heavy crop :wink: (Mississippi Kite)

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I have the 70-200 f2.8 VRII and the 300 f2.8 VRII and all 3 TC, 1.4x TCII, 1.7c TCII and 2x TCIII.

The 1.4 x TCII is basically invisible on the 300, especially at close distances and almost invisible on the 70-200. I find the 1.7x TCII and 2x TCIII basically the same for how much they degrade the image, but they degrade the image only a bit worse than the 1.4x at close dictances and a tad more at longer distances.

On the 300, the 1.4 is really a gem and I love the flexibility it gives between a 300 f2.8 bare and a 420mm f4:

D800E + 300 f2.8 VRII + 1.4x TCII, 1/2000s f/5.6 at 420.0mm iso900
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Good choice, Nick. D7K with that combo...climbed an adjacent tree to get
a semi-clear shot off. Handheld, heavy crop :wink: (Mississippi Kite)

I have the 70-200 f2.8 VRII and the 300 f2.8 VRII and all 3 TC, 1.4x TCII, 1.7c TCII and 2x TCIII.

The 1.4 x TCII is basically invisible on the 300, especially at close distances and almost invisible on the 70-200. I find the 1.7x TCII and 2x TCIII basically the same for how much they degrade the image, but they degrade the image only a bit worse than the 1.4x at close dictances and a tad more at longer distances.

On the 300, the 1.4 is really a gem and I love the flexibility it gives between a 300 f2.8 bare and a 420mm f4:

D800E + 300 f2.8 VRII + 1.4x TCII, 1/2000s f/5.6 at 420.0mm iso900

Fantastic shots, received my TC-17E II this morning, hope its a good copy ?I'll take some pics of the garden birds and let you know how I get on.
 
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Light wasn't bad today in the garden, managed to get a few images of the Garden Birds, its pretty busy out there as the House Sparrow, Gold Finches and Blue Tits have just fledged.

All taken with my D300s, 70-200mm f/2.8 VR II and TC-17E II. ISO400 and ISO200

My initial impression chimping the LCD was with the TC attached everything looked soft, I found the exposure quite difficult to get right in my garden because there's light and shade all over the place. I think for even exposure I need to stop down bye about 1/3 with TC-17 attached.

Not top draw images but not to bad for 1st shoot with Nikon for many years :)

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Suggest an AF "fine tune" and I've found my best results come stopped down to f5.6 or 6.3 :wink:
 
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Suggest an AF "fine tune" and I've found my best results come stopped down to f5.6 or 6.3 :wink:

I checked for front or back focus just after I took these images, with TC, looked spot on, without @ 200mm was slightly back focusing. Only did a quick test so I will try again.

My 300mm VR1 is on its way to me now so hopefully no need for a TC on the 70-200mm.

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You are shooting wide open and this is not the best to be using this lens TC combo. As Will has suggested, stop down to f5.6 or f6.3 at least
 
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Nikkor 300mm f/2.8G IF-ED AF-S VR + TC-17E II

Well I couldn't find a pre VR 300mm MKII so I ended find a Mint VR1.

I'm quite happy with the results although it appears my D300s is back focusing quite a lot, I need to use between -10 and -20 in the AF Fine Tune. If when I get another body maybe a D400 if Nikon produce one I'll get the D300s's back focus looked at.

Here's an image of a Dunnock (Hedge Sparrow) I shot in the garden earlier.
I shot RAW then processed JPEG in Nikon View, then processed JPEG in CS6, Just resize and very slight smart sharpen.
Device: Nikon D300S
Lens: VR 300mm f/2.8G
Focal Length: 500mm
Focus Mode: AF-C
AF-Area Mode: Single
VR: ON
AF Fine Tune: ON(-20)
Exposure
Aperture: f/5.6
Shutter Speed: 1/500s
Exposure Mode: Manual
Exposure Comp.: 0EV
Exposure Tuning:
Metering: Matrix
ISO Sensitivity: Auto (ISO 1000)

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