Bird ID needed OK New Version continue critique please

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Needed also.....Back on my CRT... To light, To dark etc etc.. Please critique.

Thanks...

He is standing on a snake he caught....

opppps forgot again
80-400 VR 1.4 TC

Flew · Aug 12, 2005

Gale,

I'm not near my bird books, but this one is a beauty. A Sharp shinned maybe?

What happened to your new monitors?

Lisa · Aug 12, 2005

Hi Gale:

I'm sorry I can't help you with the bird ID but is sure is a nice photograph. Looks like a hawk of some kind. Must be pretty big judging by the size of the snake, huh?

The photo does not look too dark or too light to me at all. Sometimes I'm sorry I didn't opt for the 80-400mm for the extra reach when I see photos such as this. The hawks around here are much too far away for the 70-200VR even with the TC17.

You sure have some interesting birds down there.

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Well Frank,

There is so much noise on it seems like I just can't edit. Going nutz. Now I don't think the color on this adjusted right.

Come on you have a claibrated monitor. What are the colors noise dark light on this. Thanks, need help here :>)))

Thanks for the nice words on the birdie.

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Thank you Lisa.

How about color. Any color casts you can see. Looks like (*(^ll here :<((

Lisa · Aug 12, 2005

Gale:

Slightly greenish cast....most noticeable in the legs. Same as I see on my D70 photos. Hope I don't offend.

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Thanks Lisa.

Ya know we will never know if someone doesn't help.

I thought I saw green also.

This is really driving me crazy.

I thank you VERY much.

Flew · Aug 12, 2005

Gale,

My monitors here are not calibrated. In fact, they are crappy for even looking at images. I'll check when I get home.

Kevin Scott · Aug 12, 2005

Gale, I'm awful at trying to see color casts but what strikes me as odd is the color of the barbed wire. It looks blue! I see a little in the post and the white speckled feathers.

I just went back and looked at mine. The wire is kind of grey/blue. But the legs on mine are much deeper yellow where yours look a little paler. I still think yours has a slight blue cast.

Don't you hate this stuff? What happened to your new LCD?

kramp · Aug 12, 2005

Hi Gale, nice hawk, I am not very good at iding Hawks so I will leave that to the more experienced.

I see the color cast also, if this is a nef you can try setting the gray point in capture, use the marque and a gray spot on the post.

Martin

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Kevin,
The LCD shows so much noise in all pics that I don't know if the pic has noise or not. it is ok just for viewing the net or whatever. But can't edit with it.

I will reporcess this and see. I found a little free monitor calibrator I use to use .. Lets see if that will work.

I see that blue also, on that fence line. But can't see it in the bird.
Thanks Kevin.. Yes I HATE this.....

Harry

Thanks Harry.
Will go try some more.

This screen at the moment seems to blue.

GRRRRRRR.......

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Well not sure how much good this did.
It got redder and a bit more yellow in legs. But that *&^*^$ Fence will not change...

Crop it out I guess :>))

I am so frustrated.

Flew · Aug 12, 2005

Is it possible that the wire is really blue??

Lisa · Aug 12, 2005

Gale:

I honestly don't see a lot of noise in the picture. I pulled it into PS and even at this small size it looks okay and cleans up well. Are you talking about the noise in the background?

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Geeee Frank,
Could have been the glare on them is all I can think.

A t-storm was rolling in and the color was poor for sure and perhaps glare behind me. Keniv shot a bit after me and it was even darker.

So what colors are you seeing now. any difference. To much red ???

Any blue in feathers. ???

Is thier noise in this image. ???

Shot 200 iso. I don't usually have a prob with noise if I am real close on exposure. Was shooting manual.

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Yes Lisa, Noise in background. (or anywhere lol)..

thanks again.

kramp · Aug 12, 2005

Hi Gale, I grabbed the picture and took a look in cs2 and what I see in the background is sharpening and jpg artifacts, I don't see any color noise, did you remove it with a a noise removal program?

If I get a noisy background I won't do any sharpening on it, I well select it separate from the main subject and noise image the background and sharpen the foreground subject.

Another way to fix up the back ground is to do a light lens blur on it with just a touch of noise added in.

I did a levels, white, black and gray point and that removed the color cast but it did end up very warm on the bird, the wire stays blue though.

Martin

Gale · Aug 12, 2005

Martin,
Thank you,

I did no noise removal on those pics.
On the second one I only did a slight smart sharpen on it.

On this particular Image I think that is just inherent in that wire.

The first image I did fiddle with it which actually did not need any :>)).

What I had were awful color casts. Or so it appeared.

Which color cast did you find and remove.

I was having a tough time with the grey correction.
Black ok and white really to hot.

Thank so much for your suggestions and help.

Most appreciated.

So I went a hunting on the retouching forum again and found a topic..

See the technical forum for "something to share"

Quite helpful to me anyway.

Thank You friend.

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