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This is to replace one that I made for my boys last christmas from old components, which lasted about 3-4 hrs :frown:. Not to surprised as they were about 7yrs old. Anyways, I've got to keep it under $500. I already have a case and I think I have narrowed down the cpu to the Intel Core i5-2400. I'm planning on using the integrated graphics on the chip to help save $.
Thinking of asus p8p67 for a motherboard but would like to see if anyone has real world experience as it seems to be hit or miss on the reviews. Once I decide on the motherboard everything else (power supply and memory) will fall in place.
What are your thoughts on the processor and mobo?
 
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I don't have any info for you on that motherboard, but the last several times I've spec'd building a computer (I used to build all my in the past) I simply could not compete with Dell. If you follow their twitter feed you can get 15% off coupons for the Dell Outlet. Outlet price + coupon is nearly impossible to beat. My current desktop was only $600 and has a Core i7, 12GB of RAM and all the bells and whistles. For <$500 I'm sure you can get better than if you build it yourself.

Here's an example: $569 pre-coupon (Would probably come out just over $500 after coupon and plus tax)
Processor: Intel Core i5-650M Processor (3.20GHz,4M cache)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium
Inspiron Desktop 580s Slim Tower
1.5 TB SATA II Hard Drive (7200RPM)
8 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz (2 DIMMs)
6X Blu-ray (DVD+/-RW + BD-ROM)


*I do not work for Dell. I do not own Dell stock. I'm not even a Dell fanboy. I just know a deal when I see one.*
 
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I know....I've thought about it, but I already have money tied into a build (new case that I bought at christmas time).
 
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With that board and CPU youre already at 320 leaving you only 180 for the remaining components such as psu HD, optical drive unless you already have these components. Since youre on a budget i'd go AMD such as the AMD 965 BE quad which is 120 after coupon until 5/31. You may even have enought left over to get a good GPU such as a 5770 which runs 100-110 with a sale.
 
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ooopps...forgot to mention that I do have hd's, dvd drive and power supply. At this point I only need processor, mobo, memory and possibly a new power supply. I'm not to concerned about a gpu as this will be used by my boys (4-7) for their "games" and surfing the web by the wife, nothing to intensive.
 
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A new good quality PSU will run you around 60-70 bucks. Get a modular one too. Good quality memory for the sandy bridge will be 50-60 bucks for a 4 gig set i believe. So yes you can do it for $500 if you have the other stuff. And it would be a fine build tho probably overkill for internet and kids games.
 
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If its $500 for a build it yourself vs. $569 for a Dell I think I would go for the Dell. $69 more. Windows already installed. Warranty. I think its worth it. Less trouble on your part.
 

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But more fun to do it yourself. That i5 will be excellent. Be sure to get enough memory. You could start with just 4GB, and plan to add more later.

Do be sure to install Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit and not the 32 bit version.
 
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Build it yourself.
Skip the crap-ware from the big houses that build cheapo systems.

You need to think what you want to do and what other requirements....game/non-game plus other requirements....small/quiet/storage/Blu-Ray etc... Photoshop or Facebook.... Give us a hint and we can suggest some parts...

Also -- not sure where "Cougar Counrty" is, but in the Pacific NW, you can find small computer shops that sell the gear the parts plus will build and test for a small fee (<=$50) to any configuration YOU want with just the OS of choice loaded...
 
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If its $500 for a build it yourself vs. $569 for a Dell I think I would go for the Dell. $69 more. Windows already installed. Warranty. I think its worth it. Less trouble on your part.
Dave, thanks for the reply. I already have a bunch of the components from another system that I have. Besides, like richard (growltiger) said it is more fun to do it yourself.
But more fun to do it yourself. That i5 will be excellent. Be sure to get enough memory. You could start with just 4GB, and plan to add more later.

Do be sure to install Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit and not the 32 bit version.
Richard, 4gb is going to be more then enough...this is just going to be for the kidos to play around on and the wife to surf the net. She does a little digital scrap booking so im sure she will use it for that too. And windows 64 is the only way to go.
Build it yourself.
Skip the crap-ware from the big houses that build cheapo systems.

You need to think what you want to do and what other requirements....game/non-game plus other requirements....small/quiet/storage/Blu-Ray etc... Photoshop or Facebook.... Give us a hint and we can suggest some parts...

Also -- not sure where "Cougar Counrty" is, but in the Pacific NW, you can find small computer shops that sell the gear the parts plus will build and test for a small fee (<=$50) to any configuration YOU want with just the OS of choice loaded...
Fred, thanks for the reply. This will be my 3rd/4th build. I enjoy tinkering with them. It'll mostly be for kids (4-7 yrs old) games and surfing the net. A little overkill for the processor that i am looking at, but who knows what it will be used for in the future.
I am in Utah and a BYU cougar fan
 
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Okay, thanks again for everyone that has replied. It isn't a toss up of build or buy pre-built. I already have components for a computer:
case
hard drives
dvd player
power supply
I need:
processor (looking @ intel I5-2400)
motherboard (possibly P8P67 would like feedback from those that have used it)
memory
possibly power supply

Thanks again for your thoughts and help.
 
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Okay, thanks again for everyone that has replied. It isn't a toss up of build or buy pre-built. I already have components for a computer:
case
hard drives
dvd player
power supply
I need:
processor (looking @ intel I5-2400)
motherboard (possibly P8P67 would like feedback from those that have used it)
memory
possibly power supply

Thanks again for your thoughts and help.
You would need a video card with the PBP67, it doesn't support the video in the i5 CPU. That is where the Z68 chipset comes in. Your best bet would be the just released P8Z68. It's more money, but you don't need a video card.

Kingston's value RAM or equivalent should suffice... start with 2GB, especially if it's only for net use and kids games.

i3 is probably good enough, save some money... with a good motherboard, you can go pretty far in the future.
 
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If only casual games, stick to Intel's 2nd Generation Core proceesors with integrated graphics...
Recomend:
Asus P8H61-M is cheap -- only $90 and OK unless you need RAID
Intel i3-2100 - $140
Kingston 2x2GB @ 1333 - $52

This is probably LOWER power than what you are replacing...no need for a new PS unless you are a cautious type and replace them...they have a high failure rate.
 
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First as noted you do not want the P67 chip set. But I would look at the H67.

Have a look at these:
Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power ...
$59.99 - $20.00 Instant = $39.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK
$46.99

Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52400
ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

$288.98 - $10.00 Instant - $23.00 Combo = $255.98

Subtotal: $342.96


You could use these instead of the motherboard / CPU combo deal:

ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$98.99 - $10.00 Instant = $88.99

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
$224.99

What you get with the i5-2500k over the i5-2400 with the H67 chip set is the HD 3000 integrated graphics instead of the HD 2000 which is suppose to be as good as the current $40-$60 cards out now. Though I have not looked at the reviews. The i3-2100 is an option as well, the combo with that CPU:

Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I32100
ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

$223.98 - $10.00 Instant - $20.00 Combo = $193.98
 
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You would need a video card with the PBP67, it doesn't support the video in the i5 CPU. That is where the Z68 chipset comes in. Your best bet would be the just released P8Z68. It's more money, but you don't need a video card.

Kingston's value RAM or equivalent should suffice... start with 2GB, especially if it's only for net use and kids games.

i3 is probably good enough, save some money... with a good motherboard, you can go pretty far in the future.
Alan,
I am glad you pointed out the p8p67 doesn't support video. With everything I have going on right now I haven't done as much research as I normally would. Even though the i3 would probably suffice the i5 gives me a little more "future proof."

If only casual games, stick to Intel's 2nd Generation Core proceesors with integrated graphics...
Recomend:
Asus P8H61-M is cheap -- only $90 and OK unless you need RAID
Intel i3-2100 - $140
Kingston 2x2GB @ 1333 - $52

This is probably LOWER power than what you are replacing...no need for a new PS unless you are a cautious type and replace them...they have a high failure rate.
Fred,
appreciate the recommendation and for the time being what I am getting will be a little overkill, but I would rather have a little overkill to grow into then have to upgrade in a yr or so. Though my wife might agree with your train of thought on this vs. mine:redface:.

First as noted you do not want the P67 chip set. But I would look at the H67.

Have a look at these:
Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power ...
$59.99 - $20.00 Instant = $39.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK
$46.99

Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52400
ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

$288.98 - $10.00 Instant - $23.00 Combo = $255.98

Subtotal: $342.96


You could use these instead of the motherboard / CPU combo deal:

ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$98.99 - $10.00 Instant = $88.99

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
$224.99

What you get with the i5-2500k over the i5-2400 with the H67 chip set is the HD 3000 integrated graphics instead of the HD 2000 which is suppose to be as good as the current $40-$60 cards out now. Though I have not looked at the reviews. The i3-2100 is an option as well, the combo with that CPU:

Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I32100
ASUS P8H67-M LX (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

$223.98 - $10.00 Instant - $20.00 Combo = $193.98
David,
I have a full tower (similar to this one I bought on sale around x-mas last yr) and I think the micro atx would look a little funny inside of it. Though, the p8h67 would support the older pata harddrives I have.
As much as I would like the i5-2500k...It would be more overkill then I need.
 
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David,
I have a full tower (similar to this one I bought on sale around x-mas last yr) and I think the micro atx would look a little funny inside of it. Though, the p8h67 would support the older pata harddrives I have.
As much as I would like the i5-2500k...It would be more overkill then I need.
Probably would be overkill. Just going through the options.

I looked at that case but got one of these instead.

Case - Corsair Graphite Series 600T

This is the stuff I got to fill it.
MB - ASUS P8P67 EVO (REV 3.0) LGA 1155
CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K
Cooler - ZALMAN 9500A-LED
Memory - CORSAIR Vengeance (4x4GB) DDR3 1600
Graphics - SAPPHIRE Vapor-X Radeon HD 5770
Boot - Crucial CT128M225 2.5" 128GB SSD
Data - 4 x WD Black 750GB RAID10
PSU - CORSAIR HX 850W 80 PLUS SILVER

The Micro ATX case may look empty but you will have great air flow. :wink:
 
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Combo i5-2500 Z68 on sale great brand http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.654391

Memory works with Sandy Bridge (what I am using in mine) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220466&cm_sp=Cat_Memory-_-Weekly_Deals-_-20-220-466

Great Power, overkill but good for future upgrades on sale and rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

Rebates and sales makes this $500

Sandy Bridge (P67, H67, Z67) is the only way to go right now. I've installed 2 Asus P8P67 motherboards, one was a Pro. Great boards, Gigiabyte, MSI and ASUS are all top end, all are good.

Some of those "great" Dell deals are old tech.
 
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I don't have any info for you on that motherboard, but the last several times I've spec'd building a computer (I used to build all my in the past) I simply could not compete with Dell. If you follow their twitter feed you can get 15% off coupons for the Dell Outlet. Outlet price + coupon is nearly impossible to beat. My current desktop was only $600 and has a Core i7, 12GB of RAM and all the bells and whistles. For <$500 I'm sure you can get better than if you build it yourself.

Here's an example: $569 pre-coupon (Would probably come out just over $500 after coupon and plus tax)
Processor: Intel Core i5-650M Processor (3.20GHz,4M cache)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium
Inspiron Desktop 580s Slim Tower
1.5 TB SATA II Hard Drive (7200RPM)
8 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz (2 DIMMs)
6X Blu-ray (DVD+/-RW + BD-ROM)


*I do not work for Dell. I do not own Dell stock. I'm not even a Dell fanboy. I just know a deal when I see one.*
That i5-650M is old tech, dual core and also a mobile processor (M for mobile) I think this is basically a laptop posing as a desktop, future upgrading this system may be difficult. The i5-650 was one of Intel's first attempt to add graphics directly into the cpu. I would be very surprised if you could add a graphics card to this system down the road.
 
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Have you thought about going AMD Phenom II X2 and unlocking cores? Especially if it's for kids, the X2, even without unlocked cores, should be fine. It'd just be an added bonus if you could get an X3 or X4 out of the X2.
 
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Not recommendations or suggestions, but... I'm building a machine for work and settled on an Asrock Z68 board (ASRock Z68 Extreme4) with an i7-2600 and some mid-range memory.

I've had Asus boards in the past that worked fine but weren't overly impressive. I replaced one with a Gigabyte board and it has been outstanding. After researching all the Z68 boards it seems like (maybe because of a Tom's Hardware recommendation), a lot of people are settling on the Asrock Z68 Extreme 4. Asrock is related to Asus but their website and support seems to be better than what I experienced with Asus...and it has everything configured just about the way I want and need.

I completely blew off the whole integrated video "feature" and immediately looked at a P8P67 Pro board and an i7. But, after reading a ton about it I think the Z68 boards that allow quicksync (not all of them do) will increase video encoding/transcoding speed in a lot of situations. That wasn't a "must have" for me, but for the same price as the other i7 setup I was planning, it's a nice option to have.

I also settled on an i7-2600 and not a 2600k; normally the prices are only $15 apart, but right now Newegg has the 2600 marked down another $15 - and for the most part the only big difference seems to be the ability to overclock by leaps and bounds. The integrated video is slightly different but not substantially so...I'm not going to be OCing at all so I put the $30 into the budget for other things.

My final build short-list:
* ASRock Z68 Extreme4
* i7-2600
* G-Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2 (x2 for 16gb total)

That puts me up at $660; if I was really pushed for a budget I would have been happy with the i5-2500k and 8gb of the same memory for $505.
 
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