D-Lighting in Capture

Discussion in 'General Technical Discussion' started by Gordon Large, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. If you use Capture, do you use D-Lighting?

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  2. Or do you use PS or a plug-in to work with shadows and hightlights?

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  1. Gordon Large

    Gordon Large Guest

    I find the shadow adjustment in D-Lighting extremely effective and useful. But for the life of me I can't see any change anywhere in an image when playing with the highlight slider. Am I missing something? Could there be a bug in my copy of Capture?

    I'm also curious about the number of Capture users who use this feature vs. the number that make corrections in Photoshop.

    Thanks for your feedback!

    Gordon
     
  2. I agree, the highlight slider does not to do anything for me either. It all means to me that when it is lost it is lost. Lesson for me is: don't overexpose!
     
  3. jfrancis

    jfrancis

    May 8, 2005
    Orlando, FL
    I have always used PS since capture is slow darn slow. Hopefully, my new computer will be returned to me (fixed) this week, and I'll be able to try it out.
     
  4. Gordon Large

    Gordon Large Guest

    I agree. And for a high contrast scene, for me that means expose to the left, not to the right as I've always read. Expecially since the shadow slider does such a good job bringing detail out of underexposed parts of an image.

    Gordon
     
  5. marc

    marc Guest

    i am always hesitant to post, to this tech discussion, because no matter what you say, someone else is bound to have an opposite opinion or whatever.

    i use dee lighting quite a bit, i find that after using it for some time now. it gives a wonderful result.

    i often , will do my pp in nc and then go to pscsfor further help.

    what i have found is nc does what you need, when i take my photo to pscs, it very often does nothing.

    i guess nc is not that bad afterall.

    just my experience.

    one more thing, i was reading a thread, about lens.

    i own and use the 24-120vr and the 80-400vr all of the time.

    the 24-120vr is a wonderful walking around lens.

    i think that the problem, with a great many people is that they think, a lens is no good because it costs a little less, or does not have a 2.8 or lower aperture.

    i think that if you use your lens correctly, and use them for the shot that they can be most useful for. all nikon lenses, no matter what camera you put them on, will give excellent results.

    i have hundreds of great shots with both of the above.
    you just need to use them at the correct time and for the correct application.
     
  6. I am starting to use the D lighting but often am not happy with the "artificial" appearance and the added noise that I see. I also have tried "prophoto" as a profile offerred in PSCS which does essentially the same thing. I do see more response to the slider in prophoto (thanks Gale)
    Dave
     
  7. Gale

    Gale

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    Jan 26, 2005
    Viera Fl
    YW Dave,

    that can be quite effective in some shots for sure.

    I use many techniques, depending on the shot.
     
  8. about the rule to expose "to the right"...

    I believe, and I may be mistaken, that the rule to expose "to the right", e.g. slightly overexpose, rather than slightly underexpose is the rule for negative based shooting. When you overexpose, there is still info in the negative that can be coaxed out when you are in the dark room, however if you underexpose and don't convert any silver nitrate crystals in the negative you can't really help yourself in the darkroom. When you're shooting slides, the emulsion is your result so there is not help in the darkroom and you'd best not blow any highlights. Digital photography acts more like slide shooting then negative shooting and so you don't want to blow the highlights too much. A lot of this has to do with the perceptability of level gradation in the highlights as opposed to the shadows as well.

    I believe that is the source of that rule. Of course now that I've spewed this out someone whe actually knows what they're doing can chime in and correct me;)

    Dave
     
  9. heiko

    heiko

    May 15, 2005
    Israel
    I use D-Lighting some of the times, but usually at a different setting than the standard, which is very aggressive. At times D-Lighting works miracles and hits the spot right away, but often I prefer using the curve tools.

    Unfortunately D-Lighting is also very slow, and each time I open the RAW file it needs to recalculate.

    I use PS only to work on specific parts of the picture, and that is really seldom. I'm also pretty new to PS.
     
  10. Chris101

    Chris101

    Feb 2, 2005
    Arizona
    Re: about the rule to expose "to the right"...

    Well, that would not be me, but ...

    Expose to the right (e^r) applies to digital photography when you are trying to eliminate noise in the shadow regions. Noise appears in shadows because of the way that numbers represent brightness.

    The lower half of exposure in a twelve bit sensor is only 0 to 63 (6 bits, so small differences in brightness (say 7 and 15 - both nearly black to the eye) will render as very different bit counts and look different in a digital photo. This is what shadow noise is.

    The brighter half of digital capture (bits 7 through 12) consists of the numbers from 64 to 3967. Here a few digita different do not make as much difference in the way the brightness looks in the image. So there is less noise in parts of the image that get at least half or more of the maximum amount of the exposure.

    So, images exposed in the upper half of the 12 bits possible will be much less prone to noise than will those exposed in the lower half. Thus, to minimize digital noise, put the important stuff in the upper (right) half of the histogram.

    Check out the 'white paper' by Bruce Fraser, or read his book on Camera Raw to hear this from someone who really knows what they are talking about.
     
  11. good point about shadow noise

    That is a good point about shadow noise. It is interesting to note that this feeds into a discussion of dynamic range. After all, a 12-bit pixel and a 10-bit pixel don't necessarily have different dynamic ranges. They may simply describe the same range with more (12-bit) or less (10-bit) level accuracy (resolution -- not image resolution, level resolution). When you couple to this, a logarithmic mapping of level to bit values you can get banding or more noticeable noise down in the shadows. Of course the 10-bit pixel could cover less dynamic range with more or less equal resolution thus providing less "noise", but a narrower operating range.

    I am, by no means, an expert in how camera manufacturers record their raw data, but how they design the A/D converters that read out the voltages from their sensors can further cloud any a to b comparisons between different camera capabilities. After all, they are not required to follow either a linear or a logarithmic mapping of light intensity to quantization level. It really is interesting stuff, but as I've spent a whole day thinking about interesting stuff at work, I think I'll give my tired brain a rest and stop rambling. Good stuff in this thread though.

    Dave
     
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