D700- Baby bear, Papa bear, now Momma bear?

Discussion in 'Nikon FX DSLR' started by Gary Mayo, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. Gary Mayo

    Gary Mayo Guest

    Anybody here think this blending of two cameras is a little like what Fuji did with the S5?

    To offer a sensor that is the same after a camera has been out using that sensor for 18 months is foolish in today's fast paced technology marketplace. If this offering would have been 14 or 16 or 18MP, then it would grab some headlines.

    I think this effort to make another D3 in a smaller D300 body with the same old sensor is an error in judgment. And the viewfinder is only 95%!

    From what I see released so far about this camera, it does not offer up anything not already offered on the two flagship cameras it offers now except less viewfinder.

    So why the Momma bear offering?

    Who is going to get this without a battery grip? No person that I know of. So once you saddle this with a grip, you have a $3500 camera. Once you add D3 batteries and a charger, you now have $3800. The D3 will be at $3995 in a month, it is already below $4500.

    So to save a hundred bucks or a few hundred bucks, people are going to order a two piece body, striped down version of the D3?

    Not me! Not interested. Give me the 24MP offering hinted at over the past months. I don't want a compromise camera that tries to do everything to everybody.

    Nikon, IMHO, this offering is a fairytale straight out of the three bears. I'll keep my D3 & D300!
     
  2. vinman

    vinman

    Nov 15, 2006
    Upstate SC
    Gary, don't take offense, but as someone who has an apparent deep pocket when it comes to hobbies, your assessment seems a little warped. The D3 is more than a few hundred dollars more expensive than the real "street" price this camera will bring.

    First, you're right - most people will want the grip at around $250. Now we're up to $3250 (msrp). Most people don't already have the D3 (or D2 series), so the EL4 isn't necessary. Another EL3 would be nice, though, so let's tack on another $45. Now we're up to $3295 (msrp).

    This is still over $1000 less than the street price of the D3. Great if you can sneeze over than kind of money, but I sure can't. Its going to be a struggle for me to get one, but I'm gonna make it happen. The D3 is just out of my reach. Glad you can afford it, though.

    I'll take the momma bear, and be glad I can.
     
  3. TonyBeach

    TonyBeach Guest

    I will.

    Some of us have budgetary limitations, and that camera will likely cost close to $7000 given what it will be competing against. It does bring up another temptation and one I might be quite content with if I can't afford a D700 this year, and that will be to buy a smaller body, more affordable D3x next summer (you heard it here first, that's my prediction).

    That's perfectly understandable, but I like the idea of two smaller bodies covering both formats with one grip that boosts their fps; but I'm still debating the utility of the MB-D10 for my purposes.
     
  4. Gary Mayo

    Gary Mayo Guest

    Just The Facts Mam

    First they gave us the Corvette and the Camaro, now we are being offered a Firebird?

    I think the horn in this car sounds a lot like the horns in the other two cars. Honk Honk (not to be confused with Beep Beep)

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  5. This post is insane.
     
  6. tomtodeath

    tomtodeath

    463
    Jan 11, 2007
    new jersey
    this is the camera Ive been waiting for! I never bought the grip for my d200, dont need it. Full frame, durable body, perfect size. The only thing that stopped me from getting the d3 besides the price is the size and weight of it.
     
  7. spyder57

    spyder57

    499
    May 26, 2006
    D700 is perfect for most of us. 12 MP is more than enough for me. Having 14 or 16 MP wouldn't change anything. That would barely give you any more cropping room or resolution. 3k + 250 for the grip + 30 for a set of eneloops and a charger. That's hardly a few hundred of the D3. And saying no one will get the d700 without the grip is a ridiculous egocentric fallacy. Just because YOU would get the grip with the camera doesn't mean everyone else would too.
     
  8. Nikkor AIS

    Nikkor AIS

    Jun 5, 2008
    Alberta
    Choice is a good thing. The D3 is a big camera. Which is okay for me, Im a big guy, but not everyone wants or needs 8fps. As far as the 95% veiwfinder one of my favorite Nikon's was(still is) a FM2 and I think it has 95% veiwfinder or maby 97% so for me thats no big deal. As long as the veiwfinder lets me manually focus my Nikkor AIS glass, than Im good.
    By the way I took the time to read the online brochure. There where some really nice photo's and some good info. I really hope nikon releases a printed version like they did in the old days. I really miss them.
    Personally I really think this is a good step for Nikon. When they come out with a D600 ? that is full frame 24-36(FX) and a thousand bucks cheaper. I'll get a couple for my kids.
    As it is my hard drive is full so Im off tomorrow to get more ram.
    So A 24 Mp camera's sounds good, but do I really need it?
    My D3 clicking at CS eats more than Gigs enough for this cowboy.
     
  9. I would much rather have the D700 over the D3. I do not want the battery grip , the extra weight , or the extra price. The D700 is just what many people are waiting for. The Fuji S5 is not a good comparison. Nikon you have a choice of models , where Fuji you did not.
     
  10. Kadath

    Kadath

    239
    Nov 21, 2007
    NJ
    You're crazy. This is the perfect complement to the D300 for me. Clean ISO 3600 in a compact body? Yes please!
     
  11. You got that right ..
     
  12. So what are the major differences between the D3 and the D700?
     
  13. Well the big difference for me is that it is smaller , less weight , and cheaper.
    But of course if you need the grip , than it probably won't be any smaller or lighter or much cheaper. I do not need or want the grip , and I'm sure there is many others that feel the same way.
     
  14. TonyBeach

    TonyBeach Guest

    Viewfinder

    Dual CF card slots

    Possibly AF
     
  15. Nchesher

    Nchesher

    579
    Jul 7, 2006
    Lansing,MI
    I'll take a Firebird over my Sunfire anyday. With clean ISO1600 to boot.
     
  16. Shutter noise... Put a D3 and a D300 next to each other and fire the shutters in turn... That D3 shutter is LOUD!
     
  17. Last edited by a moderator: Jul 1, 2008
  18. Okay, Gary, I'm used to you being a little more logical, you need to rethink it.
    1) the sensor has been out for less than a year. Just shy of 8 months in the hands of users.
    2) The same sensor is reused constantly in almost any brand. In nikon's case... do you think the D70 was an error in judgement? It was a D100 in a slightly smaller body with the same old sensor.
    That same old sensor then went into the D50 and now D40, and it keeps getting better and cheaper with each generation. That sensor is 6 years old!
    Do you think the D40x/D60 are errors in judgement? There's a solid 3 year old sensor. D200 used it first, then the slower version in the D80 about 9 months later, then in the D40x/60 in 2007 and 2008.
    Do you like the D300? It's no coincidence it's a Sony CMOS at 4288x2848 pixels. So was the D2x. It's just an evolution of that same sensor with improved electronics getting significantly better image quality.
    3) that 95% viewfinder is more than plenty for most people. I like 100% VFs to be sure, but they aren't always perfectly aligned to be honest. That alignment and higher tolerance costs money to implement. I'd rather the price point not be even $200 higher to accommodate a 100% VF.
     
  19. marioni

    marioni

    808
    Jan 22, 2006
  20. ceebs

    ceebs

    10
    Jun 4, 2008
    London
    Oh Please! Not another Gary Mayo "I'll never buy it ---Ooops I went and bought it" thread