D700 Sports Shots (or high ISO in general)

Discussion in 'Nikon FX DSLR' started by Dave, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. Dave

    Dave

    Feb 7, 2007
    Suwanee, GA
    Come on D700 owners, I know you're out there. Let's see some more pictures. I'd like to see some shots of sports with higher ISO, but I'll take anything. This camera is still on my "to buy" list later this year, but I like to see shots from it that help reaffirm that I'm making the right choice. :biggrin:
     
  2. Dave,

    I had a chance to try a D700. Here are a few comparision shots. Not exactly high level sports action however. There were also enough differences between the cameras, so this is not a real good comparison, but it is better than nothing. I put in big pictures to make it easier to compare.

    D300 had a 70-200, VR on, AF-S (not sure how I switched from AF-C). 200mm at f2.8. D700 300 f2.8, VR off (on tripod), AF-C 300mm at f2.8.

    All the rest of the settings were the same, Auto WB, EV-.3, - I actually went through both menus and set everything else the same.

    I had a chance to shoot this group at halftime. All shots in NEF, Crop and save as JPEG. No other processing (in camera set to low NR on both cameras)

    D300 ISO 3200
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    D700 ISO 3200
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    D700 ISO 6400
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    D700 ISO 6400 with NR in PP.
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    Since I had the D300 on AF-S, nothing came out real well on the action shots. I also managed to botch up the action shots with the D700. The 300mm is sharper than the 70-200 at f2.8 - that biases the results. A tripod is always an advantage, so again, not a fair comparision. The auto WB seemed to be better on the D700 with these lights.

    I just reviewed the metdata again. I messed up! D700 is matrix, D300 is center weighted. I gotta learn to do a better job.
     
  3. AlanG

    AlanG

    119
    May 6, 2008
    Virginia, USA
  4. Dave

    Dave

    Feb 7, 2007
    Suwanee, GA
    Thanks for the samples Mike! Yeah, I'd say the D700 looks light years better even at ISO 6400 over the D300 ISO 3200. I definitely see one in my future! :biggrin:

    No problem Alan, I appreciate you posting these...nice shots!
     
  5. Hey Dave... I'm kind of torn on this. There's no question the D700 is cleaner at higher ISO's. I'd go so far as to say the D700 is around a stop better after ISO1600... so yeah, ISO3200 is almost as good as the D300 at ISO1600, and about as good at ISO6400 as the D300 at ISO3200. I shoot both bodies back to back now, and came from a D2H / D200 combo before that, so this one's light years better for clean high ISO.

    I still say the jump from the D2H or D200 to the D300 is a bigger one than the D300 to D700 though, and the truth is this... there's a VERY noticeable loss of effective reach going DX to FX, so the need for longer glass if you want to maintain the same resolution is definitely felt. My 70-200VR now feels too short for hockey shooting, so it's changed the way I shoot that lens. For baseball, I really notice that too.

    So now you're leaning on longer glass or teleconverters to get the same reach (I haven't shot much in DX mode on the D700). And the other element is the shallower DOF. I think part of the clean files you can almost negate is that now it actually pays sometimes to stop down just a little from f2.8.

    But despite all that, the D700 is impressive at high ISO's...

    D300 / ISO3200:
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    D700 / ISO3200 (same lighting / same game):
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    Note that these files have no NR done in post and in-cam set to LOW.

    Anyway, the D300 is still impressive at ISO3200 if you nail things, but the D700 really does have a significant edge in clean results, and will require less work in post. I just get more keepers from the D700, although again, you have to shoot a little differently because you lose effective length in your glass.
     
  6. Phillip Ino

    Phillip Ino

    Nov 26, 2007
    Austin
    Those are fantastic shots, DJ.
     
  7. These are great for comparison. I'd love to see more and hear more thoughts.
     
  8. Hey Francis... great to see more familiar faces around this place... I feel more "at home" every day. Cheers!
     
  9. Dave

    Dave

    Feb 7, 2007
    Suwanee, GA
    Hey DJ, thanks for the samples. Yeah, when I rented the D700 and used it for a week next to my D300 I did notice the loss of "reach" significantly. I think this would be the main reason I would keep my D300 for when I needed the reach and the light was good, and then switch to the D700 when the light went south and when higher ISO was needed. I think that would be a good combo and what I am leaning toward right now.
     
  10. jmark

    jmark

    142
    Feb 6, 2007
    Greer, SC
    Dave,

    Sounds like a good plan to me. Probably the way I will go.
     
  11. Jeff Mims

    Jeff Mims

    May 25, 2005
    Mississippi
    I started using my D700 for nightime HS football, and it's helped. Yes, the lack of reach is an issue, but with HS football, I just have to wait till the play get's closer.
    I've found the D700/300 f/2.8 to be just about right for softball (smaller field).

    Normally, daytime, but had some makeup games, that started late.

    Here are a couple of shots w/o noise reduction. These images did look better AFTER Noise Ninja, but these are before Noise Ninja. Some sharpening, and adjustments applied (jpg.s), but I didn't have Noise Ninja at the time.

    Both with D700 and 300 f/2.8VR

    1. ISO 5000
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    2. ISO 12,8000
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  12. Best of both worlds really... you get the best DX sensor in the Nikon lineup for the effective "reach" and the best FX sensor for wide and for low-light use. Sure works for me, although now I have less opportunity to blame my photos on my gear :wink:
     
  13. Brodman

    Brodman

    545
    Aug 26, 2007
    Knoxville, TN
    I like having the 70-200 on the D700 and the 80-400 on my D300 for daytime sports. It gives me the effective reach of 70-600 on two cameras. Last weekend it worked like a charm when shooting soccer.