Its downright impossible to get a good deal because no one's watching the item you want.....never any really good lulls. I've got to get a 17-35 or 28-70 for a low price, and the ebay prices are good sometimes, but other times they drive way up, and I don't have everything I'll have to commit to this together yet..... I've got to hang on...but its gonna take a bit of work to get the lenses I want for a decent price, unless Bjorn and Uncle Frank feel like sending me a 17-35 and 28-70 for free wishful thinking.... Every hobby of mine gets more and more expensive...and more and more lasting. This one's now an obsession... an ingrained part of my soul! I shouldn't feel comfort just holding my 70-200 VR! EDIT August 1, 2005 1AM.....Thanks to my dear father, my dream of a 17-35mm f/2.8D has been realized, for $800 (a steal, considering the normal price), via buy it now Seller is in the same city as me so i'm going to see if I can arrange pick up. So, I guess it is a love-hate relationship...only hours before I went from winning one at $760 with 2 minutes remaining, to being left in the dust as the bidding rose to end at $912, I'd say at least 4 bids within the last 100 seconds.