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Help with WB & skin tones

Discussion in 'People' started by yamo, Aug 4, 2008.

  1. yamo

    yamo

    Jun 28, 2007
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Folks,

    Greetings. Just unsure about WB could use some extra eyes on these...

    Sometimes post-PS I look at an image and think it needs a little WB tweak. Now my eyes are broken... A little help would be appreciated.

    1. From PS
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    2. Tweaked in LR +1 Temp (warmer) +5 Tint (Magenta)
    [​IMG]

    3. Tweaked in LR +7 Temp +5 Tint
    [​IMG]

    Your thoughts are appreciated...

    Cheers,

    -Yamo-
     
  2. yamo

    yamo

    Jun 28, 2007
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Hmmm.... Of course, the web rendering of the sRGB jpeg looks completely different from the Windows photo gallery display of the same jpeg (which looks very close to the LR rendering). :confused: 

    Sigh.

    Cheers,

    -Yamo-
     
  3. LAW2

    LAW2

    358
    Oct 24, 2006
    JAX
    This is really tough. Very close to each other on my screen. Push come to shove I prefer #2.
     
  4. LindaZ

    LindaZ

    Jul 29, 2007
    Wilmington, NC
    Her skin looks a bit yellow to me, like there's a yellow cast thrown onto her face from some surface nearby. Cabinets looks like that color?
     
  5. they are all a bit yellow on my profiled/calibrated monitor
    #2 would be the best to me

    but....
    some color balance made this one look more natural
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  6. fjgindy

    fjgindy

    531
    Jan 21, 2007
    Indianapolis
    I agree that there is a slight touch of yellow colorcast happening. Try PS and add a Levels adjustment layer. Use the middle eyedropper in Levels and touch a section of the "gray" wall beneath the cabinet with it. Try sampling different areas or shades of that "gray" and see if you get a result you like.
     
  7. Hey Greg,

    What you use for PP?
     
  8. well....
    photoshop CS2
    but.... i must confess that i did run the image through NOISE NINJA (with a custom profile done for this particular image/then sharpened again with USM at 70/0.7/4) before doing the color balancing...
    which, i know realize it probably a bit too magenta... :redface:
     
  9. yamo

    yamo

    Jun 28, 2007
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Leland, Linda, Greg, Fred,

    Thanks much for your comments... I'm having some sort of strangeness between calibration and jpeg creation that I'll have to track down. (ugh!)... I'm getting different color results from the web rendering of the same jpeg from Windows picture gallery. Perhaps the proPhoto (what I pp in) tag persists even when LR creates a sRGB jpeg? grumble.

    But identifying the yellow cast helped calibrate my eyes a little... Here's another attempt...

    [​IMG]

    At least it's not yellow anymore :wink:

    Greg, interesting pp... A little much on the nr for my taste particularly in the hair. Of course, maybe I'm expecting a little noise from the ISO 6400 shot :wink:

    Cheers and again, my thanks,

    -Yamo-
     
  10. yeah...
    i don't know why i've "gotten into" noise ninja again
    i must tweak it a bit
    nice on the skin here.... too much on the hair

    thanks for letting me play a bit
    such a pretty girl
    ________________________________
    i re-sharpened it a bit

    345294991_pfTb8-O.jpg
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  11. the_traveler

    the_traveler

    Mar 22, 2007
    en route
    You really can't prodict on what you see as skin tones in your web browser if your browser doesn't recognize imbedded icc profiles and you don't 'save as jpg.'

    (If you 'save for web' you are stripping out profile data.)

    None of these look really natural to me. How about posting a larger res picture or just the face alone?
     
  12. Lew...
    you are right
    i have looked at this image on all 4 of my (supposedly profiled) monitors at home
    and... it looks different on all of them

    how frustrating
     
  13. the_traveler

    the_traveler

    Mar 22, 2007
    en route
    Yamo,

    There are two completely different issues with color: color correction to get a good rendering and color managment, actually getting what you see in PS to display that way other places.

    An excellent short article on color correction of skin tones (not managment) is at http://www.smugmug.com/help/skin-tone

    Color managment implies some familiarity with ICC profiles, sRGB, soft-proofing, etc.

    Prepare for some confusing crap and do a web search on 'color management'
     
  14. great link, Lew
    i just printed it out

    thank you
     
  15. yamo

    yamo

    Jun 28, 2007
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Wow. Lew, I can't thank you enough. Understanding that there were two different problems that I was trying to tackle has made everything click for me.

    So, the solutions are:

    1. The problem with the web versions having different colors than what I was seeing in PS and LR: I was/am saving full jpegs but not viewing them in a color managed browser (was viewing in Explorer v7 now viewing in Safari). The web version now looks identical to the other LR, PS and Windows Photo Gallery renderings. My sanity (such as there is) has returned. :wink:

    2. The skin tone itself. The SmugMug article is great, hadn't tried curves in CMYK before (and didn't understand what I would be shooting for if I did). My eyes may still need some calibration but at least I think I understand the tools to the point where I can make reasonable adjustments that make sense...

    Finally the most recent edit (to be viewed on a color managed browser! :biggrin: )

    [​IMG]

    Lew, thanks again...

    Cheers,

    -Yamo-
     
  16. the_traveler

    the_traveler

    Mar 22, 2007
    en route
    In a data drop out I forgot to say that, in order to make my images acceptable to 'most' browsers, I change the mode to 8 bit (assuming a raw image before), convert my image to sRGB (Edit>Convert to profile:sRGB) and then 'save as jpg.'

    This converts the image to the color profile that most browsers assume they see; it also imbeds the color profile that most browsers ignore. Often this will result in a slightly more intense image.

    If you save as a jpg but in your original profile (like RGB or Adobe RGB) your image will look washed-out on most dumb browsers.

    Be aware that knowing this crap doesn't make my pictures any better but it does keep them from being degraded by anything but my own lack of skills.
     
  17. Nuteshack

    Nuteshack Guest

    i like it ..just wondering why u went 6400iso on this one. 3200 would have given u 400ss:cool: 
     
  18. Nuteshack

    Nuteshack Guest

    lol Lew:wink:
     
  19. Mart61

    Mart61

    Dec 23, 2006
    Camberley, UK
    Whta a world of difference the advice given here has made to the shot. I know where I'll be coming for input (when I can find someone that will let me take their picture that is).
     
  20. yamo

    yamo

    Jun 28, 2007
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Oh, I had my bif settings on my camera (auto-iso, min shutter speed 1/1000th) :redface: it just rolled up to ISO 6400

    It was just a quick shot of my daughter making cinnamon rolls in the kitchen, no time for messing with settings :wink: uh, the D3 200f2 point and shoot :eek: 

    Cheers,

    -Yamo-
     
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