IR only area?

Discussion in 'Night, InfraRed, and UltraViolet Photography' started by triangular, Sep 16, 2005.

  1. Hi. I'm really not sure why IR would be considered part of night photography, as there are very few people indeed who are shooting thermal IR. In fact we typically shoot daylight only (for the most part), since strong sunlight is generally required for enough of an infrared exposure. I've seen incredible night shots as well as IR shots in this forum, and good discussion as well, but the two are not usually the same. Regardless of why these two areas were combined, I think there are enough IR photographers here and enough of an interest in IR techniques to warrant a forum area of its own.

    What do you think? Should we take a vote or start a petition for this?
     
  2. nfoto

    nfoto Guest

    I'm with you here. It's an oddity to mix such disparate concepts as "night" and "IR", unless you consider the outlook through the IR filters themselves :smile:

    Throw in UV for good measure and designate the area "By Invisible Light".
     
  3. Yes, very good point Bjorn. UV and IR would be most excellent.
     
  4. The management has talked about how to group subjects so as not to have a huge proliferation of fora. There was an attempt to have logical groupings; however, as you point out this may not be too logical. By keeping the number of fora to something reasonable we hope it encourages each of the members to look at all of them instead of specializing on just one or two fora. Our membership had grown dramatically since the inception of the Nikon Cafe but it is still relatively small as compared with some of our competition. By proliferating the fora it could make any one so small as to not be of interest to our membership. If you notice the amount of hits by fora some have far more than others. For myself, I have never taken an IR image but do enjoy looking at the work of others.
     
  5. Chris101

    Chris101

    Feb 2, 2005
    Arizona
    Speaking for myself, I think of this as the 'low light' forum. That would include night and IR. Even UV as Bjørn has suggested ([mod_hat]maybe we should add UV to the name.[/mod_hat]) Of course Bjørn would be just about the only UV poster, but I did one once:
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  6. nfoto

    nfoto Guest

    "Low light" indeed. You'll get dangerously burnt by UV in a few minutes :cool: And just try to use a flat iron at red heat to exposure your IR image :mad:
     
  7. jb007

    jb007 Guest

    Forum name

    How about "non-daylight (including night, IR, UV, x-ray, etc.)" can't understand why folks always seem to need a separate forum for every single type of photography, we'll soon have a request for a forum called "photos taken with a D1x with 28-70/2.8 on a Friday" forum!
     
  8. PJohnP

    PJohnP

    Feb 5, 2005
    Chris :

    I think you're all making light of this dark issue.

    Hmmm... Maybe that should be the new forum title "Making Light of It All- UV/IR/Night"

    Heh.



    John P.
     
  9. I like that John, kind of a play on words. :cool:
     
  10. MontyDog

    MontyDog

    Jan 30, 2005
    #1064 - You have an error in your SQL syntax;
     
  11. I get that, I really do. But I still don't get the reasoning behind putting IR together with Night. IR is daytime photography, plain and simple. It is true not everyone shoots IR and it's not a mainstream topic, but it is a huge special interest group. One of the reasons I joined was because there is an IR group here. This grouping seems arbitrary and out of place to say the least. I would think that a topic deserves its own area based on the number of posters it has, and I think IR has that recognition already here at Nikon Cafe. Can we take an official poll? Do the posters who use the board have a say in this?
     
  12. nfoto

    nfoto Guest

    Hate to disagree, but IR is possible under vastly different situations some of which isn't "daylight" at all. I've done IR under water, and with flat irons as "light" source. Plus IR street photography - at night as it were.
     
  13. Correct, and I actually probably wouldn't ever disagree with you on the subject of IR, as you're obviously the one to ask :) But night IR is kind of a real purists form of the art. I did mention earlier that typical IR is typically daylight, but we don't usually have to stick with rules where art is concerned. My point is that IR is not naturally the domain of night photography, which doesn't really have anything to do with it, and most of the IR you can photograph is happening in daytime under strong sunlight, which is the opposite of night photography.
     
  14. Chris101

    Chris101

    Feb 2, 2005
    Arizona
    Ok, make that "The scant visible light" forum. I guess we could do xray and radio signal too. :|
     
  15. How do you photograph radio signals? Does it involve the VLA in New Mexico?
     
  16. I don't think we need a forum for every different type, but I dont think there should be groupings for such disparate areas when they aren't necessarily related. Other group headings make sense, why not this one? Splitting the two may actually increase the posting traffic on both of them.
     
  17. Christian, I am not trying to be argumentative but would like to present the following facts:
    1. Since conversion to V2.0 last month, there have been 13 topic threads involving IR.
    2. In our picture gallery, the "Nightime and IR" fora has the fewest number of hits except for our very newest fora Miscellany.
    3. IR interest is increasing and we have far more posters to this topic than we have ever had in the past but it still lags far behind some of the other topic threads.

    We are concerned about all of our members and work hard at keeping the Nikon Cafe as a place that can accomodate many and varied interests. While we might not have used the best wording for the "Nightime and IR" fora, it was not an attempt to slight IR photography. Some members have groused about their particular image not fitting in any category and so Patrick created Miscellany for that purpose. Might I suggest that we continue to monitor the IR section of the fora and if the interest builds, we can address this topic at that time. :smile:

    I'm all for harmony. :wink:
     
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  18. Chris101

    Chris101

    Feb 2, 2005
    Arizona
    Well, if you have access to the VLA then you can do it using those antenna. However there are radio astronomy amateurs who images comet crashes on Jupiter a few years ago using nothing more than a 10 m wire strung up in their back yards.

    I'll admit though, they didn't use Nikon cameras though, unless they photographed their oscilloscopes with the fabled 52mm CRT lens.
     
  19. I don't know, Bjorn is able to take photographs directly onto paper w/o a camera at all! Perhaps we can directly expose these radio waves, and show those aliens it doesn't take a VLA to record their signals. I'm seeing into the ether now...
     
  20. Certainly Gordon, it was just an idea that seemed to make sense to me. As the postings related to IR continue to grow, it would be nice if we could have a vote on the idea at some point. Perhaps I am simply more of a fanatic than most, I really don't know. I just know that IR seems to be a highly specialised interest group for those into it, and would probably do well if there are enough members intersted. But let me say that you guys are doing a great job with the board in general, especially the new version. And I definitely appreciate being a member here and an ongoing participant with all the changes that take place. One thing I like about Nikon Cafe is that it's not so huge a community yet, though I'm sure the board will continue to grow and support the continuing membership that like to call it home. Hats off to everyone.
     
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