Kids sports and improper use of images.

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So it seems another dirt bag, making it harder on the decent folks with big black lenses. From reading the boards over the last few years, some of you have had problems with parents or officials at games. So will fall out from stuff like this make your shooting habits change, or make it harder to shoot kids sports?


http://www.ocvarsity.com/ocvarsity/homepage/article_1962662.php

Oh' by the way I have two small children and would freak if their images showed up like they did in article above. I also went to Edison High back in the day.
 
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That is a sad story. We will all wonder why we can't take pictures of our own kids or a client's kids some not so distant day in the future. :frown: Hard to imagine how difficult it was for the person who found these pictures to step forward and say that they knew some of the people. Kind of a catch-22 there. :eek:
 

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OK, that is just wrong. Sick, and wrong.

We've had a couple of unfortunately similar incidents in our area with our local swim teams. Both the club my family belongs to, and several other local area swim clubs have had incidents where men (in this case, it has been adult men) were caught secretly either photographing or videotaping the kids private areas, mostly in close up.

At our pool, the guy was actually caught by one of the parents, who just happens to be a police detective. He drove in from out of state and apparently has been doing this a while. emails went out to all the area teams and people have been on the alert. it happened at another meet that same weekend. In fact, someone questioned my presence at the very next meet! I'm the team photographer, and two of my kids swim on our team!

It was recommended (since I was already our team's official photographer and had permission), that the team give me a baseball cap with the team logo, a shirt, and a "press badge". We did all three. Now I'm "legit" and hopefully no one mistakes me for a pedophile.

This stinks, and is unfortunately widespread. Our little town is like a Norman Rockwell painting, but the sickos are here too. I would say that this will continue to affect us as photographers in the future.
 
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What the heck is the world coming to? Sorry, that's about all the words I can muster about this kind of stuff. It just makes me sick.
 
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Yeah, I've been following this story a little on thje radio station I listen to in the afternoons, very very sick and disturbing! Hate to here this, but then again, there are rotten apples in almost any group of people. I'm also a teacher, and think of how many negative teacher stories you hear all the time! :frown:
 
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What I usually do when I shoot a game for someone is make sure I pass out some business cards, especially to the coaches on both teams. I try to arrive at the games early and make sure folks know who I am and what I'll be doing. Not only am I welcomed, sometimes it generates more interest from other folks above and beyond who I am shooting for.
 
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What I usually do when I shoot a game for someone is make sure I pass out some business cards, especially to the coaches on both teams. I try to arrive at the games early and make sure folks know who I am and what I'll be doing. Not only am I welcomed, sometimes it generates more interest from other folks above and beyond who I am shooting for.
Yeah, that's good, but the problem in the linked story, as I have heard, is that these photog's doing this stuff are actually credentialled with press passes and everything... problem with this type of action is that it makes those parents and supporters very stereotypically suspicious of all photographers!
 
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Yeah, that's good, but the problem in the linked story, as I have heard, is that these photog's doing this stuff are actually credentialled with press passes and everything... problem with this type of action is that it makes those parents and supporters very stereotypically suspicious of all photographers!
Can't credentials be revoked? Also he can be banned from any venues I would think. And what burns me is this guy is appatently a Police Man or a civilian employed by the police dept.
 
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Reading the article I can't see that this disclaimer from the site can make the publication of these photographs on the porn site legal:

"All images are of an artistic nature and are not intended to suggest or imply anything about the athletes pictured with regards to … sexual orientation."

I can't be sure but I don't think this would stand up in a British court. The inclusion of the photographs on the site in my view does attempt to infer the subject's sexual orientation/availability. Disclaimers are often judged illegal.

Someone should go for a prosecution under the libel laws.
 
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Wow, as a mom of a one year old boy, seeing/hearing this kinda thing makes me sick.

Really, people who does this kinda thing have a special place in hell. Sorry to sound so harsh but this kinda thing really does get to me..:mad:
 
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Our local pool won't allow cameras in even to take photos of your own kids. They wanted to make sure the situation above never arrose.

Pretty sad.
 
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Wow... this is really disturbing. My son is on his HS swim team. Time to pay more attention to those with cameras. Of course, mine is usually the biggest. :biggrin:
 
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There has to come a time, when we, as a society, stand up to these wackos and go after them, instead of banning cameras at public events or in public places.

I had a friend of mine tell me that there are certain beaches in Australia that you are not allowed to take cameras to. This is not the answer to the problem.

And, as far as I know, no child has ever been hurt by someone actually shooting a photo of them. The problem, of course, is what happens to the photos later.

These are short-sighted, band-aid solutions that cater to the fear of all parents. Stopping thousands, if not millions, of camera enthusiasts from shooting in public places, due to the actions of a handful of people, is ludicrous.

From the story, it appears that the photographer had legitmate press credentials. And that makes it much, much worse. Most folks have a problem with the media in this country to begin with, and something like this only adds to their mis-trust.

I wish I had the answer. I don't know how you control stuff like this, but banning cameras is not the answer.

Many years ago, a state legislator here in Texas came up with the brilliant idea of banning all head shops in Texas. His theory was that if people could not get rolling papers or pipes, then it would severly curtail drug use. Of course, the law was swiftly overturned. And I can assure you that it had no impact on drug use at all. People will find a way to do anything, if they really want to. This is what banning cameras reminds me of.
 
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Wow, as a mom of a one year old boy, seeing/hearing this kinda thing makes me sick.

Really, people who does this kinda thing have a special place in hell. Sorry to sound so harsh but this kinda thing really does get to me..:mad:
Not harsh at all. I agree 100%.

There has to come a time, when we, as a society, stand up to these wackos and go after them, instead of banning cameras at public events or in public places.

I had a friend of mine tell me that there are certain beaches in Australia that you are not allowed to take cameras to. This is not the answer to the problem.

And, as far as I know, no child has ever been hurt by someone actually shooting a photo of them. The problem, of course, is what happens to the photos later.

These are short-sighted, band-aid solutions that cater to the fear of all parents. Stopping thousands, if not millions, of camera enthusiasts from shooting in public places, due to the actions of a handful of people, is ludicrous.

From the story, it appears that the photographer had legitmate press credentials. And that makes it much, much worse. Most folks have a problem with the media in this country to begin with, and something like this only adds to their mis-trust.

I wish I had the answer. I don't know how you control stuff like this, but banning cameras is not the answer.

Many years ago, a state legislator here in Texas came up with the brilliant idea of banning all head shops in Texas. His theory was that if people could not get rolling papers or pipes, then it would severly curtail drug use. Of course, the law was swiftly overturned. And I can assure you that it had no impact on drug use at all. People will find a way to do anything, if they really want to. This is what banning cameras reminds me of.
Solid post! Couldn't have said it any better.
 
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This is really discouraging, as a photographer, a father, We shoot Prep Sports all the time. I try to have identification and always introduce myself. I am terribly upset by this. No wonder it is so difficult to be a photographer.
 
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As a former vice officer,I know that Speedo`s have a more than healthy interst on "Boy Lovers"(thats how they prefer to be called instead of pedofiles).Same goes with any other sport where kids wear not to much clothes (like Wrestling).The sad part is that there is no law anywhere in the world that forbids the possesion of pictures of kids during sport activities.I know that in Holland it is a good custom that when you visit a swimming or other sport activitie to make pictures of your child, nephew or niece,and the coach don`t know you,they come and ask who you are.
This summer i took my 14 year old nephew to the local skatepark to make a few action pictures.When we arrived,i see whitin 5 minutes 2 persones that i know to be offenders with a digital camera,also making pictures of skaters.Only thing I did was enter them asking "hey,do you remember me?Found a new hobby??).This was enough to have them leave in seconds.
 
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As a former vice officer,I know that Speedo`s have a more than healthy interst on "Boy Lovers"(thats how they prefer to be called instead of pedofiles).Same goes with any other sport where kids wear not to much clothes (like Wrestling).The sad part is that there is no law anywhere in the world that forbids the possesion of pictures of kids during sport activities.I know that in Holland it is a good custom that when you visit a swimming or other sport activitie to make pictures of your child, nephew or niece,and the coach don`t know you,they come and ask who you are.
This summer i took my 14 year old nephew to the local skatepark to make a few action pictures.When we arrived,i see whitin 5 minutes 2 persones that i know to be offenders with a digital camera,also making pictures of skaters.Only thing I did was enter them asking "hey,do you remember me?Found a new hobby??).This was enough to have them leave in seconds.
I wish I could have seen their faces when you asked them that. :eek:
 
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Wow, as a mom of a one year old boy, seeing/hearing this kinda thing makes me sick.

Really, people who does this kinda thing have a special place in hell. Sorry to sound so harsh but this kinda thing really does get to me..:mad:
Not harsh a bit.
 

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