This is a guessing game. First shot is from a legendary 85 that I don't believe has ever been discussed here. It doesn't mount on a Nikon, so I have to hold it against my D200's lens mount for a shot and fine-tune the focus by moving. (This is also my macro technique; I should really try a tripod sometime!) Here it is at f/2 (it does open wider, but I missed focus, d'oh!): By way of comparison, a Nikkor 50/1.4 AIS also at f/2 (I think it holds up darned well despite less DOF due to closer angle; then again, its bokeh is smoother at f/2 than at f/1.4): Both are D200 with WB slightly tweaked to match (85 was a tad warmer) and A mode for exposure (I am lazy). Normal contrast, normal saturation, same modest sharpen for web. I gotta put this puppy on ebay; it should buy me a Nikkor, though I only paid $320 new back in '85... of course it may only be a sidegrade.:wink: And I'll miss it. But maybe less with that Nikkor in my hot little hands. :smile: Anybody got a guess?