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Nikon 12-24 vs Tokina's 11-16mm f/2.8

Discussion in 'Lens Lust' started by ssloansjca, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. ssloansjca


    May 17, 2008
    San Jose, CA
    I know somebody who is selling a Nikon 12-24 f4 DX ED in like new condition for $800. I like the fact I could get Tokina's new 11-16mm f/2.8 for much less new than a used Nikkor. I like the Tokina is wider and faster. I like the Nikon is longer when I don't want to be THAT wide. I like that the Nikon is a Nikon. How good are Tokinas anyway?

    This would be going on a D2Hs. Any comments? Your opinions are most appreciated!

    ~Steve Sloan
    San Jose
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  2. Brodman


    Aug 26, 2007
    Knoxville, TN
    I'm interested in this also. I have the 12-24, but always looking to upgrade.:biggrin:
  3. ssloansjca


    May 17, 2008
    San Jose, CA
    I gotta admit

    Maybe the person who is selling the 12-24 IS upgrading. I wonder if the new lens is bringing the value of the Nikon lens down. Maybe, $800 would be too much?

  4. LDB415


    Apr 26, 2008
    Well, if you go with the 11-16 and add a 17-xx or 18-xx you cover the 12-24 range and have faster glass at the wide end and less expense initially.
  5. Personally, I don't feel a need for f/2.8 on a super wide angle lens. And as far as range goes, I like the possibilites for creative distortion at 12mm...

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    but also like that I can use the 24mm end for normal stuff.

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    And if 12mm isn't wide enough for your landscapes, 11mm isn't going to solve your problem. Jmho.

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  6. JeffKohn


    Apr 21, 2005
    Houston, TX
    $800 is IMHO too much to pay for a used Nikkor 12-24. That lens has always been overpriced compared to the competition, and that doesn't seem like much of a discount from the new-in-box price considering you'll have no warranty. If the 11-16 range will suit you, I think the new Tokina would be a fine choice (I've heard nothing but positive reviews about that lens so far). If you want a bit more range consider the Tokina 12-24 which sells for under $500 new and is just as good as the Nikkor.
  7. JeffKohn


    Apr 21, 2005
    Houston, TX
    It's more of a difference than you might think, 5% wider FOV.
  8. Hmmmm, don't remember my Tokina ever having IQ like this. :biggrin: D300 Nikkor 12-24 f4

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  9. Yup. My point precisely. That's not enough to make a significant difference in a scape. And based on my own experience, I don't agree that the Tokina 12-24 is just as good as the Nikkor. How much of a premium you're willing to pay for a small advantage in image quality is another issue.

    Hold on, now, when Nikon introduced the 12-24, there was no competition. It was the first of its breed, and it's still the best of the breed. Imho, of course :wink:.
  10. Steinar


    Aug 16, 2007
    I have owned the Nikon 12-24 and I wanted it to be sharper at the wide end, than it was (got it calibrated and it helped some, but not enough in my opinion - exept for 24mm).

    Now I have the Tokina 11-16 (the only non-Nikon-lens i have) and it is sharper than the Nikon 12-24.

    More flare/ghosting than the Nikon.

    The Nikon is more versatile - goes to 24 mm.

    So it depends: Do you want it for the very wide end ? (11-16 is not much from a zoom - it is nearly a prime).

    I am happy with the lens - the only drawback is the flare/ghosting (but I have lenses, that is worse) and some CA, but Nikon also have the CA - I think in the same amount.
  11. JeffKohn


    Apr 21, 2005
    Houston, TX
    It's a nice picture, but let's be realistic - processed web JPEG's don't tell anything at all about lens quality.
  12. JeffKohn


    Apr 21, 2005
    Houston, TX
    Whether that 5% extra FOV matters for your shooting is your call. My point was the shorter the focal lengths you're comparing, the more difference 1mm makes so saying "it's just one mm" doesn't really tell the whole story.

    It's not about 'willing to pay'. I've gladly purchased Nikkors far more expensive than the 12-24. I just don't think the 12-24 delivered $900+ worth of optical performance, especially compared to the alternatives.

    Ok if you want to split hairs, the fact that its build quality was on the level of a $300 kit lens (right down to the chintzy reversed zoom/focus rings) made the Nikkor over-priced on its initial release; once the Tokina was released it became over-priced compared to the competition. :wink:

    I wouldn't knock the extra stop on the f/2.8 as useless on a super-wide. If you've ever tried focusing and composing and f/4 lens while the sun is well below the horizon (especially with a CPL), an extra stop of light can be pretty useful. The biggest reason I haven't traded my 12-24 for a 11-16 yet is because I'm hoping Nikon will announce a D3x and 17-35 II this year.
  13. TimK


    Apr 17, 2006
    Hong Kong, China
    I had the 11-16 for two weeks.

    I bought it for my trip to the US. I had traveled from San Francisco to Yosemite, Red Wood Forest, Mount Hood, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Zion, Grand Canyon, Vegas and now I am in Palm Springs.

    I haven't gone through my photos carefully yet, but my initial impression is that it is quite a good lens. Nice color, good contrast and really sharp. CA is visible though. I think it is sharper than the 12-24 at F4. At F8 they are about the same.

    The problem with this lens is really the limited zoom range. I think I was using my 17-35 maybe 85% of the times. I think if you want one super wide zoom the 12-24 is a better choice.
  14. Gnarl


    Jun 25, 2008
    Fairfax, VA
    I agree with Tim concerning the zoom range; and that's why I chose to get a Tokina 12-24 f4 for use on my D2h. I just couldn't justify the extra price of the Nikon 12-24 for the amount that I use wide-angle.
  15. Nuteshack

    Nuteshack Guest

    owned a perfect sample of the tokina 12-24 and loved it. ironic it's easier to get a good sample of this lens verses the nikon. and as far as build goes it schmokes the nikon. however, if u land on a good sample of the nikon you'll find it's IQ is better than the tokina,,,what can i say? it's got that MAGIC!

  16. slappomatt


    May 13, 2006
    San Diego CA
    as to the OP's original question, I would go with "a" 12-24 personaly. the tokina 12-24 hardly leaves my camera. its my do everything lens. mostly indoors stuff. but for just about everything. 12-24 and a decent tele and I'm set.

    the 11-16 would basicly be a wide only. 16-24 is a pretty big difference. but it depends on what you want to do with it. for indoors and wedding work the F2.8 could be very important.

    I thought about selling the 12-24 and getting the 11-16 breifly. but then when I thought about it. I almost never try to zoom past 12 and I try to zoom past 24 all the time. so being stuck at 16 would be extremly limiting for me.
  17. JeffKohn


    Apr 21, 2005
    Houston, TX
    Right now I'm actually a little tempted by the idea of replacing the 12-24 with an 11-16/2.8 plus a Zeiss 18/3.5...
  18. Jeff Lee

    Jeff Lee

    May 16, 2006
    I'd go for the Nikkor, the range is from really wide to almost normal ( I used a 35mm as my normal lens for film). Don't worry about the build, heavy doesn't mean better and the Nikkor has been a working lens for about 10 years. I have yet to see a post "my Nikkor 12-24 fell apart"....price wise the Tokina is a very nice lens for a great price.
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  19. Faceman


    Aug 19, 2006
    LI, NY
    I've thought of that (minus the Zeiss) but I'm glad no one bit on my offers to sell the Nikkor for $700 on here. After considering how often I'd actually need 2.8 and not being able to hit 24mm, I'm keeping the Nikkor. If you don't own a 12-24 already, the 11-16 is definitely an easier buy to consider.

    How much does it cost to have your lens re-calibrated by Nikon?
  20. ssloansjca


    May 17, 2008
    San Jose, CA
    After seeing these posts I'm leaning for a 12-24 Nikon. A 35mm is a nice equivalent to have and I don't like changing lenses too often due to dust.

    I have to decide if the $800 price is fair. I'm trying it on my camera tomorrow.

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