no more farm pictures??

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Sorry if this has been posted before...http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/08/cracking-down-on-croparazzi/?scp=1&sq=farm%20photography&st=cse




Photographers — perhaps including some ghosts from Farm Security Administration days — are astir at news of a bill introduced by State Senator Jim Norman of Florida that would make it a felony to take a picture of a farm without the owner’s permission:

A person who photographs, video records or otherwise produces images or pictorial records, digital or otherwise, at or of a farm or other property where legitimate agriculture operations are being conducted without the written consent of the owner, or an authorized representative of the owner, commits a felony of the first degree.

The bill, S.B. 1246, was introduced on Tuesday. Matthew Yglesias, whose blog brought the matter to our attention, wrote, “The specific freedom-enhancing element of this particular initiative is that apparently freedom-hating animal rights activists have been known to secretly document farm activities in order to advance socialism.”

An e-mail sent to Senator Norman’s office requesting an explanation of the legislation had not been answered by late Tuesday afternoon.

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That will not go forward very far. It will be stopped at so many levels. I wonder what the real agenda is?
 
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It is a poorly written law. The story behind it is that PITA members infiltrated a farm and took photo and video of various parts of ranching/farming like the slaughter of animals, animal treatment, et al and is attacking farmers from the inside.

The law was written to protect the farmers from PITA crazies. It is, however, an epic failure of writing. A simple trespassing charge would be sufficient (as mentioned on NPR).
 
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It is a poorly written law. The story behind it is that PITA members infiltrated a farm and took photo and video of various parts of ranching/farming like the slaughter of animals, animal treatment, et al and is attacking farmers from the inside.

The law was written to protect the farmers from PITA crazies. It is, however, an epic failure of writing. A simple trespassing charge would be sufficient (as mentioned on NPR).

I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, even though I'm sitting here laughing. I think you meant 'PETA', rather than PITA, which is usually an acronym for Pain in the *** (backside). Yes, the two can easily be confused. :biggrin:

BTW, I also agree on the question of why should new laws be created where others suffice?
 
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When agriculture must go to these extremes to protect its dirty secrets, there's a good chance there is fire where there is smoke.

Meanwhile, Rome burns as our lawmakers deal with such issues ....
 
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When agriculture must go to these extremes to protect its dirty secrets, there's a good chance there is fire where there is smoke.

Dirty secrets? Animal slaughter is messy, loud and unpleasant however it's also necessary so that there is food on the table (for those of us who eat meat.) PETA (though PITA was perfectly appropriate) causes more harm than good, as does HSUS (they skip around holding hands) and finds ways to twist just about everything involving animals.

I think a new law is a little extreme, it's time we started enforcing the ones already on the books.
 
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Dirty secrets? Animal slaughter is messy, loud and unpleasant however it's also necessary so that there is food on the table (for those of us who eat meat.) PETA (though PITA was perfectly appropriate) causes more harm than good, as does HSUS (they skip around holding hands) and finds ways to twist just about everything involving animals.

I think a new law is a little extreme, it's time we started enforcing the ones already on the books.

Yes but they are referring to animals being abused hit with hammers and such, not the typical slaughter. All before even being brought to slaughter.

Farmers dont want that getting out.

Oh and PETA really stands for People Eating Tasty Animals.
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I suppose I would now get arrested when stopping off the side of the road in farmland country to take images of the harvesting that might be going on. I assume that all those who want to get images of the Palouse region in Washington better get them soon or face felony prosecution.
 
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I do not know who is right or wrong in this, but there is another side to the story

http://www.mydesert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011102070335

JGM Farming seems to have a history of suing everybody under the sun and has not limited themselves to aviation. They appear to have deep pockets. The farm is advertised as producing olives or olive products, but is also some type of "exclusive" resort.

On the 3 aviation forums I regularly read, there are extensive threads dealing with the issue of National Air Space and JCM Farms. They even had the temerity to sue the FAA. Thoughts expressed by many readers was certainly not in favor of the JCM Farm.
 
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JGM Farming seems to have a history of suing everybody under the sun and has not limited themselves to aviation. They appear to have deep pockets. The farm is advertised as producing olives or olive products, but is also some type of "exclusive" resort.

On the 3 aviation forums I regularly read, there are extensive threads dealing with the issue of National Air Space and JCM Farms. They even had the temerity to sue the FAA. Thoughts expressed by many readers was certainly not in favor of the JCM Farm.

Wow! I read the article and then fired through the comments. If you believe the comments, they seem to lean about 99% against JCM, this sure looks like an abuse of the legal system for sure.:eek: I don't know how one could look them self in mirror to shave doing that kind of work for a living.

Edward- any other sources that are credible to read some more on this situation? The article seems to be a kind of PR or letter to the editor kind of thing. From the photos, that is some olive farm.:eek::eek:
 
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I suppose I would now get arrested when stopping off the side of the road in farmland country to take images of the harvesting that might be going on. I assume that all those who want to get images of the Palouse region in Washington better get them soon or face felony prosecution.


No - absolutely not.

First of all it's only a bill in the Florida Senate - it's nothing to do with any other state or federal law.

Second, the text of the bill posted by the original poster is outdated. The intent of the bill is to deal with photography/video on a farm- not of a farm. All the blogs, articles, and forum posts that make it sound like you're going to jail for taking pictures of hay bales from the side of a road are completely out of line - and false. They're concentrating on the text of the original poorly written bill.

I think the bill is over the top myself, but it's funny how the blogs all seem to have thrived on publishing the first draft of the bill yet don't follow the current status of it.
 
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No - absolutely not.

First of all it's only a bill in the Florida Senate - it's nothing to do with any other state or federal law.

Second, the text of the bill posted by the original poster is outdated. The intent of the bill is to deal with photography/video on a farm- not of a farm. All the blogs, articles, and forum posts that make it sound like you're going to jail for taking pictures of hay bales from the side of a road are completely out of line - and false. They're concentrating on the text of the original poorly written bill.

I think the bill is over the top myself, but it's funny how the blogs all seem to have thrived on publishing the first draft of the bill yet don't follow the current status of it.

updated link.....

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/agriculture/sen-jim-norman-scales-back-bill-that-inadvertently-criminalized-farm/1158811
 
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