Nude IR

Discussion in 'Night, InfraRed, and UltraViolet Photography' started by nfoto, Sep 19, 2005.

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  1. nfoto

    nfoto Guest

  2. fascinating, Bjorn. Your images provoke all kinds of thoughts and emotions.
    Dave
     
  3. nfoto

    nfoto Guest

    Thanks. I normally like a less reddish cast to the IR images, but sometimes it just feels OK, so let it be.

    By the way, the image is from my summer vacation area. I share a cottage on the southern coast with my family and spend much of the summer there. All true to heart Norwegians have, or long to have, a summer cottage on the coast, or a winter cottage on a remote mountain, or both. Makes us feel comfortable not to have neighbours in close proximity.
     
  4. jfrancis

    jfrancis

    May 8, 2005
    Orlando, FL
    What interesting seasides you have over there :smile: Nice image.
     
  5. nfoto

    nfoto Guest

    A genuine Norwegian wouldn't lift an eye-brow. This is a common sight in Summer. We enjoy Nature to its fullest extent.
     
  6. Gale

    Gale

    978
    Jan 26, 2005
    Viera Fl
    Bjorn,

    That is wild, meaning color and lack of color.

    Quite a composition.
     
  7. nfoto

    nfoto Guest

    Re: Censorship by Chris101

    I find this action ridiculous. No wonder Americans have gained a reputation of double standards of morality. The Nikon Café has become an unfriendly and bizarre place to be. We can show naked ducks, but not birds of our own species.
     
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  8. Gale

    Gale

    978
    Jan 26, 2005
    Viera Fl
    Bjorn,
    I do understand your frutration.
    Cheers
     
  9. I understand that you are frustrated Bjorn and I may agree with your post being quite OK.
    However, your generic statement that
    is an over reaction which is uncalled for. Let's not go into the direction of some other forums, where this kind of (often endless) dialog has almost completely taken over.
     
  10. jfrancis

    jfrancis

    May 8, 2005
    Orlando, FL
    Very silly. The female form has always been a part of photography.
     
  11. I understand your point Bjorn, but I think part of your
    statement was a bit overreactive. Just this week I was
    dismayed to see a thread in the general forum closed
    (ie censored) I strongly disagree with this type of censorship.

    But I love the shot!

    Cheers,
    Robin
     
  12. Oh, I am quite surprised by this editorial decision. I found the photo rather chill. But we could make this known without blasting out anyone.
     
  13. Your right John, the female form has always been a part of photograhy and still is. One click with a link is not too much to ask IMHO. Many workplaces here in the USA do not allow their workers to view pictures of unclad people and even at home where we have young children it may not be appropriate in some circles. This is a minor concession and seems to solve the problem of where do you draw the line on artistic nudes and pornography. My thanks to you and to others who have written in on this thread and questioned the suggestion Chris made to Bjorn. I happen to know that Chris' personal philosphy would allow such posts to be made but he was meerly carrying out the stated rules of the forum. I am also aware that the suggestion of including a link was made in private to Bjorn and not on this public forum. Your understanding is appreciated.
     
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  14. Personally, I found the tilt of the horizon to be much more disturbing than the lack of clothing :wink:. I'm not even sure the model was nude, since the image is just an outline... a reversed silhoutte. But it would be unrealistic to ask the moderators to make a judgement on the potential offensiveness of each nude composition on an individual basis. Even the courts can't do that. And keep in mind that we are an international forum, and some of our members come from cultures where displaying a bare face or the sole of a foot can be cause for offense.

    The option of linking to a nude has long been established on this forum, as well as on dpr. It's an elegant and and courteous solution, and once adopted, must be applied consistently. The poster's righteous indignation is grossly out of proportion to the incident.
     
  15. PGB

    PGB

    Jan 25, 2005

    Everyone,

    We try to be as courteous as possible when a moderation event is needed. The Founders, Flew and myself, wanted to create a place for the world to share a passion of photography in a friendly environment. An environment that if I wanted to send my grandmother or mother a link to here I could do so without incident. A breast is not a terrible thing and the picture was fabulous. We only ask that it be placed in a link.

    If anyone has concerns that they do not wish to voice openly or would like to open a dialog with me concerning this or other issues I am always open. You can reach me via PM or email at patrick@nikoncafe.com

    As always, we appreciate each and every member here. Afterall, we do share common ground in photography and love it dearly.

    Regards,
     
  16. PJohnP

    PJohnP

    Feb 5, 2005
    Gordon :


    I understand the concept here for linking nudes, but I'd politely point out that this rule is not readily apparent in the FAQs for the Cafe. Nor is there anything in the listed rules sticky, or elsewhere with a forum search for the terms "nude" or "nudity".

    I've worked with several locations where even casually or inadvertently accessing nudity on a company computer is an instant termination offense, and fully understand how this plays out, having seen several cases of termination. But the issue here is not the requirement to place a link, but instead to make this requirement plainly visible for users.

    Over in Fred Miranda, there's both a requirement for links for even some lingerie shots ("implied nudity"), which I consider somewhat excessive, but people there typically add a note to the thread title like <nude>. Bjørn actually met that need with his title.

    No such FAQ or rules listing is here for the guidance of the Cafe members.

    I quite understand your caution in this area, but without the Cafe moderators listing the rules plainly and openly, I also very much understand Bjørn's frustration.

    While the forum rules state, "We reserve the right to remove posts that don't conform to community standards, and to suspend the posting privileges of any participant who refuses to comply.", there's also the entirely reasonable question about what the "community standards" are for an international membership forum, and how those are then applied in an even-handed manner.

    With that in mind, to avoid unfortunate acrimony on this, I'd politely but very strongly recommend that the moderators thrash out a simple set of fair rules on this subject (human nudity in linked photos), clearly publish them with a a FAQ and a Sticky, and then take action as required in the future.

    And then we can go on shooting great photographs and posting those here at the Cafe...


    John P.
     
  17. Thanks John and your absoulutely right. The Administrators and moderators have discussed this on numerous occassions and settled on the policy I stated. Earlier today we came up with some new wording for the Cafe Rules and will be implementing them shortly. Hopefully this will put our unwritten policy in line with our written.

    Thanks for your comments and for your understanding.

     
  18. I certainly agree with John P. on this. Perhaps Bjorn would not have been so frustrated if this "rule" were more widely understood. As has been said, nudism has always been a part of photography and should be no more offensive than the body itself. I personally did not find Bjorn's image offensive in any way, which I felt was more an artistic IR than anything else.
     
  19. I penned the original forum rules, which included the following statement:

    "Since we serve a broad demographic and want everyone to feel comfortable, posts and images of a graphic or violent nature, or which demean any cultural or ethnic group are prohibited."

    I used graphic as a euphonism for bare a$$ nekkid, and now realize it's an obscure reference that needs to be updated. Mea culpa. But I would think that most adults realize that nudes have the potential of violating the comfort zone of children, the elderly, and dual standard Americans.
     
  20. MontyDog

    MontyDog

    Jan 30, 2005
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