I dont normally shoot flowers, all of my attempts so far have always ended in severe disappointment. Seeing the pictures on this site has inspired me to give it a go, and whilst i'm still not particularly happy with these two shots, its about the best from about 200 images I took, so I might as well post them and at least get some pointers for next time. It's essentially the same shot with slightly different PP, but unfortunately the second method seems to have introduced some noise ? In both I have reduced the saturation as the orange/red/yellow of the thistle seemed to be merging into one big blob. For the second I just kept going with the desaturation, increased the black value in CS3 raw and added fill light and a little sharpening. Any comments welcome, i'm still relatively new to photograpy (approx 1yr) so anything will probably help. Thanks.