Too many people being banned for stupid reasons

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by TMR Design, Jul 19, 2008.

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  1. Short and sweet. I've seen the reasons for some really great members being banned. I've seen the way the moderators conduct themselves and I am appalled. This is the only forum I've ever been a member of that doesn't allow people to express themselves.

    I know the mods will defend their position and point out that I don't know what I'm talking about. Sorry, I do. I've seen the correspondence between members and mods and seen the actual message presented by vBulletin with the reason for the ban.

    It's disturbing beyond belief and the moderators should take a good look around and realize THEY are the ones that create negative feelings here, not the members that express themselves or have strong opinion.

    OK let the return fire begin., but I don't need to see the replies from the moderators. I know what they will say about a post like this. They'll tell me I am making trouble and instigating a riot. Give me a break.

    Anyway, this thread will probably be closed or deleted and I wouldn't expect anything different here.

    Nuff said, I've ranted. Now let's see how long it takes for me to be scolded and told to stand in the corner to think about what I've done. LOLOL
     
  2. Gale

    Gale

    978
    Jan 26, 2005
    Viera Fl
    I could not agree more:>))
     
  3. PeteZ28

    PeteZ28

    Oct 5, 2007
    Newtown, PA
    I've always felt this place was a little "tight", and I've moderated a few boards before myself.

    But it comes down to you get what you pay for, and this site is free so they can run it as they see fit. Myself I'm not privvy to anything that has happened behind the scenes so perhaps I'm missing something, but again, it's their board.
     
  4. randyr5

    randyr5

    530
    Jan 14, 2006
    Michigan
    Agreed. I have talked to members who have had posts deleted because they were deemed offensive or demeaning when in fact they were quite benign. Any time a thread starts to get a little lively, a mod jumps in and closes it down

    The Political Correctness around here is a bit over the top.
     
  5. LDB415

    LDB415

    929
    Apr 26, 2008
    Texas
    I made a reply with sincere advice and was reprimanded for it with something taken entirely out of the context presented. In another unrelated area after posting a second time in a second thread (1 post each in 2 different threads) agreeing with a criticism of a particular policy I was messaged they could help ease my frustration by eliminating my access in that area. Basically a shut up about it or else message not in those terms.

    I fully agree with the position this is a photography forum for photography related content and that should be conformed to as much as possible. There are times though when a particular photography related subject has tangential connections that are outside the realm of photography but still pertinent to the topic as well as instructive and potentially beneficial to the OP as well as others. A little leeway can be a good thing.
     
  6. Muonic

    Muonic

    Jun 14, 2006
    The solution is simple. Go start your own forum, with your own rules...or lack thereof. Then you can say anything you want.

    Problem solved.
     
  7. bozola

    bozola

    Feb 28, 2006
    Seattle WA
  8. if thats true, about the people getting banned, I must have been dangling by a thread several times now.

    It is a little too much of a fish bowl.
     
  9. bett

    bett

    Mar 31, 2007
    New Hampshire

    My thoughts exactly.
    If you don't like it, find someplace else.
    what's so hard about that?
     
  10. Leigh

    Leigh

    Feb 19, 2005
    Alabama
    There are literally thousands of alternative sites - if the NikonCafe doesn't suit you, there is an obvious solution. We DO NOT want to ban anyone, but are obliged to do so when members neglect to obey our house guidelines.

    Also, please do bear in mind there are two sides to every story, and members are rarely in full possession of all the pertinent facts.
     
  11. Well said! This thread should now be closed after this truthful remark.
     
  12. Leif

    Leif

    Feb 12, 2006
    England
    This place is a bit uptight, but far preferable to unpleasant sewers such as dpreview and ePhotozine, where the loudest most obnoxious person dominates, and it is considered acceptable to abuse and bully other users.

    And is there anything one would like to say but can't here?

    Okay, we can't post photos with nudity, but that does not bother me.
     
  13. sypher

    sypher

    May 24, 2006
    Cougar Country
    I've never fully understood threads like this one. If you don't like the way things are done, I'm sure there are other places to go (not saying we want anyone to leave). Obviously there is something that attracted you to this place vs the hundreds of other places on the net. Of course I may be biased because I have never had any problems, nor do I "know" anyone that has.
     
  14. RichNY

    RichNY Guest

    This closing of comments right after a moderator gets the last word in is what is causing TONS of emails flying back and forth between LOTS of members!

    As photographers we don't like anything that impedes our freedom of speech with our artistic endeavors and freedom of speech applies to words as well. While it would be entirely appropriate for the moderators to promptly remove images of pornography from the site, closing a thread because they feel it has been discussed enough is more akin to closing a thread because they are a dog person and have seen enough images of cats.


    I think it is great that our moderators want to keep the Cafe civil and not become a dpreview type site; most of us appreciate all of their time and hard work to accomplish this. However, in many cases 'Civility' is being interpreted as having no disagreement- only group hugs allowed.

    For example:

    https://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showpost.php?p=1941935&postcount=45

    https://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showpost.php?p=1956497&postcount=96

    What uncivil comments are there in either of these threads that would require them to be closed? While the moderators might have very just cause in pointing out the inappropriateness of a post to an individual many of us who are following a thread are left scratching our head wondering what just happened. We never know whether by posting an opposing viewpoint we will be 'reprimanded' in some way.

    My take is that most people who are disappointed with things are more disappointed in the Way things are done far more so than the decisions that are made. For example, when the rules in the F/S forum changed there was a post which stated that effective immediately here are the new rules. With a little marketing pizzaz the post could have taken the path of "Good News, we are making another improvement to the Cafe". Not everyone will ultimately be pleased by the decision, but everyone will feel that they have been treated as an adult as a result of the improved communication.

    Similarly, public threats in threads by moderators rather then by PMng members and one word answers like this one don't give members a good feeling. I have no doubt that some members get under the moderators' skin but their words effect the way all of us view the site.
    https://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showpost.php?p=1966949&postcount=22

    What makes this forum valuable is that it is a good community of both regular members an moderators and it is in all of our best interests to speak up, fight hard, and after a call move as a team.
     
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  15. RichNY

    RichNY Guest

    Exactly. That view is much like "America, love it or leave it". If you really care about something you take the time and energy to improve it, not abandon it.
     
  16. Well said, Rich. And while one poster here wrote "this place is free and they can run it how they want", many many of us have willingly donated money to the site at the moderators' behest (and I am in no way suggesting I want my money back) and may hope for our civilly-expressed opposing opinions to at least be tolerated, if not ever actually heeded.
     
  17. You know, I just invited my daughter over to this site because I like the way it is run, I don't know if you have exhausted your posibilities in private or not.Let's all take a deep breath. I do not know the facts, but I know this, If you call me out in public, It will get you no where except a place you don't wan't to be. Now if you have the backbone go forward, I have always said if your right your right, but you had better make damn sure your right and not just be spouting because you feel your feet got stepped on.Things happen , things are said ,then bad feelings set in. I see you have a lot of post, you've been around for a while, you have some strong feelings, this is all good. Channel it in the right direction, If you just can't survive here, move on. No blood No foul
    Tim
     
  18. It appears the issue here is more about delivery of content than the content (It's not what you say but how you say it). Online conversations (eMail, chat, forums, IM) use one form of observation and removes most if not all emotion out of the equation. This is a barrier to effective communications.

    If it were possible to have this forum in a way that everyone could physically see and hear what you are saying, would you say it differently?

    A suggestion would be to re-read your reply and think about that before you click on the SUBMIT REPLY button.

    As for the Nikon Cafe Moderators, they are volunteers doing a difficult job. Cut them some slack. Some of the cafe policies may be vague, too restrictive or not well publicized to you and many others. Are the people that complain offering to volunteer their time to improve this forum or perhaps become Moderators?
     
  19. sypher

    sypher

    May 24, 2006
    Cougar Country
    Rich,
    Well thought out and said.
    I didn't mean for it to come across as a "take it or leave it" remark.
    The difference between all of the other posts on this thread and yours is that you offer a solution instead of just criticism.
    You are right it is about communication, but we are seeing only one side of the "conversation." Another thing to consider is that we may not be aware of past issues/trasgressions.

    "What makes this forum valuable is that it is a good community of both regular members an moderators and it is in all of our best interests to speak up, fight hard, and after a call move as a team."

    I could not agree with you more!
     
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  20. Problem is when rules are selectively enforced.

    There is clearly a inner circle that the rules dosent apply to.
     
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