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An excellent suggestion by yamo, but I suggest that you... DON'T DO IT!
Unless you want a hole in your bank account and the wife to really be mad at you. Use the D3 for a while and you WILL have to have one sooner rather than later.



Thanks for the warning. Because my D300 feels very fast and snappy for me (former user of Canon 40D). Autofocus seems very fast and genius. I don't want to be disappointed and/or killed by my wife, thus I will make sure I will carefully make sure never to touch D3...let alone try it

With that in mind, I've seen D3 as low as $2500 on a local craigslist (which of course could a fraud)....but generally over $3000
If that is the case, never ever again spent a thought on the D3 and avoid talk, touch and think about it as the plaque.

I used my D300 for more than one year and was absolutely happy about it.
I touched a D3 once in a shop, touched it another time later and could not get rid of the itching since then.
I bought a new one earlier this year and whenever I have to use the D300 (when it just is more appropriate - longer reach, good light, CLS flash, lightweight, …), it feels slow and point and shootish :)wink:).

Get your way around the D3, it is more healthy really.
 
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lol.....some great responses here, and it seems the community is somewhat divided. I am waiting to bump into him again to see what his price will be. He only lives a few floors below me. Lol @ whoever said he may knock out his D3x for a D3s, that would be mega pixel suicide - unless you need cash quick. He's a landscape guy...before i even knew he had the d3x i told him i thought the D3s wasn't worth the upgrade from a d3...

I just returned from Singapore where for the first time i used my Sigma 150mm 2.8 for stuff other than macro, it likes to hunt more the Henry XIII and seemed to do this in the middle of bursts (so like the middle shot in a burst of 6 would be OOF)..this got me thinking (as i quite liked the focal length) that maybe the 300 VR would be a little to specialised and my interests (as well as my wallet) would be best served by the new 70-200 VRII...I'll await the reviews on FX before deciding....but this way i could prob stretch to that lens and the D3....but it's definitely either or with 300 VR
 
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If it is a really good deal I would be all over it..I like my d3 but love my d700 better. I just think it is faster to change the settings on the d700..So maybe you could go that route too and have some extra cash in your pocket but with a D3 it just feels like the AF works better with super tele lens if you plan on getting a 300..
 
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If it is a really good deal I would be all over it..I like my d3 but love my d700 better. I just think it is faster to change the settings on the d700..So maybe you could go that route too and have some extra cash in your pocket but with a D3 it just feels like the AF works better with super tele lens if you plan on getting a 300..
Sounds like you have it right:
Nikon 14-24 f/2.8 | Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 | Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 VR
Either one of these lenses would mean a divorce in my family:)
 
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As good as the D700 is, the D3 and it's 'x' variant is still the Nikon flagship body and the clear choice. I recently found myself in the fortunate circumstance of being able to buy either and I chose the D3 without a lot of thought. In fact I bought a pair. I'll probably have these for quite some time and so far I have no regrets about choosing it over the D700 other than the lightening of my wallet.

In its favor however, the D700 may be the best buy in a DSLR in a long time followed closely by the D90.
 
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I really dont see the advantage of the D3 over the D700 for MOST things. For my uses I don't see any advantages honestly, especially for the price.
 
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Gary,
IF you decide not to buy his D3, could you hook me up with that rich guy ^_^
I want a D3 ......
 
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I really dont see the advantage of the D3 over the D700 for MOST things. For my uses I don't see any advantages honestly, especially for the price.
Admittedly, the D700 is as good as it gets in its class. Sometimes the differences in similar products just can't be quantified. The D200 is a quirky yet exceptional camera. Still I preferred the D1x and D2H. Using a pro body is simply a unique experience. If you own and drive an M5 you'll have one of the best driving experiences anyone could want. But get into an M6 and . . . WoW! It's the D3 of the personal car world. The D3 is the M6 of the camera world.
 
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the "feel" and 100% viewfinder arguments, are just people scraping at reasons to justify why they got their D3 when they could of just had the D700.

Besides those points, and small added features like voice notes, dual CF cards, button layout, etc. D700 / D3 is the same camera.
 
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the "feel" and 100% viewfinder arguments, are just people scraping at reasons to justify why they got their D3 when they could of just had the D700.

Besides those points, and small added features like voice notes, dual CF cards, button layout, etc. D700 / D3 is the same camera.
I guess the same thing could be said of comments like these... that they're just people scraping at reasons why their D700 is just as good as the D3.:wink: Folks are going to defend the choices they made. Fact is, they're both great cameras. Hard to go wrong with either choice.
 
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for people who compose carefully, a 100% VF is actually important.

for me, moving from a D200 to a D3 irradiated random slivers of adjacent paraphernalia from my land/city-scapes.

not having to worry about battery life and having double the on board memory also reduced how much was on my mind during a shot.

I got the full size camera body over the half size for the cool features but in the end, it was the little things that I ended up appreciated more than anything. the voice notes and other tidbits kinda fell to the side.

one other thing that I discovered is that the lock feature is also a big deceptively major feature. very useful in the studio to prevent bumped dials while walking around to make adjustments as well as shooting action outdoors such as from one skier to another where there is just a lot of stuff going on.
 
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The shot less taken: To me the "feel" of a camera is not a reason to justify the D3 , it's just personal preference. To each his own. The other reason is I already had a D2h and so was used to the controls and feel. And the fact that they share the same batteries was a nice plus. I love my D3 so much I bought a second.
By your own admission there different camera's. The only thing they share is the name Nikon and the sensor. I like the D-700 but like I said it's no D3. Never designed to be. The D700 is kind of like the D3 little brother:tongue:.
Maybe things like the feel , durability of a Nikon pro body, 100% view finder, dual cards slots and button layout for you hold no value. And thats fine. But saying that people like me are "scraping at reasons" is weak and kind of rude.

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the "feel" and 100% viewfinder arguments, are just people scraping at reasons to justify why they got their D3 when they could of just had the D700.

Besides those points, and small added features like voice notes, dual CF cards, button layout, etc. D700 / D3 is the same camera.
Glad to see that you mentioned some of the real world D3 advantages. The D700 is a fabulous camera and I intend to have one as a backup/go-lite body someday, but the besides the ego factor, the D3 advantages can be significant.

The 100% viewfinder means one can aim for perfect cropping when the shot is taken. Done properly this significantly lessens PP time and effort, and potentially increases the MP available for use in the shot since you don't start by throwing away 5% or more of the pixels you paid for. It saves time and "effectively" gives the D3 a MP boost over the D700 at the moment of exposure. WYSIWYG.

Use the 5:4 crop mask in the D3 and it is a piece of cake to frame perfectly for 8x10 portraits or just 8x10 formated images. Also useful in getting more of the image circle from a DX lens without the larger filesize of an FX crop file. Can save significant time, effort, and cropped pixels in PP. I use it a lot for my macro shots. Love it for portraits.

The EXIF data doesn't record your flash setup when trying out new lighting options. Voice memos will let you save any number of relevant notes as you think of them. Exceeding useful and a real time saver if you test your lighting setups or other techniques a lot before a shoot. Makes learning to use and remember optimal CLS/AWL configurations so much easier. Use it a lot more than even I thought I would.

Dual CF cards. You don't have to worry about losing irreplaceable images due to the failure of any one CF card. You can use 2 smaller CF cards and get double the amount of image file space without the risk of losing a huge number of shots on one big card. I shot most of my nephew's freshman football games, one in the rain. When it was raining I didn't need to open the CF door to swap out cards when I shot more images that I anticipated. I just let the D3 overflow to the second card. No matter what size cards you own, you can have up to twice as much space always available with a D3. You don't have to worry about running out of space and swapping cards at an important moment. You can FILL the first card to its limit mid-sequence and the D3 will not stop, it will overflow automatically. Blowing dust and rain mist have a much harder time getting into the CF slot and the CF card ends if you don't have to swap cards. Priceless for action/event shooting.

While at the same game, if I had been using the same CF cards and a D700, I would have also had to swap CF cards and a battery in the rain. Unless you add the expense of buying the grip, a single EN-EL3e battery isn't going to be there when D3 is still getting the shots late in the day. Avoid the issue by adding a grip to the D700 and you now have a bigger mass of camera to deal with, that is still slower in Continuous High. Both DX and FX. And 14-bit.

Other than that, all ego. :biggrin:
 
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Lol @ whoever said he may knock out his D3x for a D3s, that would be mega pixel suicide
Well that would be me, but it's sure not so silly an idea that you should LOL @ me.

The mega-pixel race is pretty much over industry-wide, and the consensus is that about 12Mp is all most of us need. Unless your friend routinely makes really huge prints from his landscape photos, he's probably not needing the higher Mp count of his D3X. That benefit might pale in his mind against the extraordinary high-ISO performance of the D3s, which has already produced some remarkable outdoor photographs that would otherwise be impossible... check it out:

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/digitalcamera/slr/d3s/sample.htm

If he doesn't JUST shoot landscapes - who does? - then he will remember other benefits of the D3 over the D3X, and the D3s trumps them with still more. Oh, and if he DOES want to make wall-sized prints from 12Mp images there is software that does a pretty good job of that.

So maybe, just maybe, you won't be laughing as long as you think.
 
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don't you think the D3's AF acquisition responsiveness is better than D700? i do feel so. i consider it as "why" i prefer the D3 over the D700 most of the time.
 
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Well that would be me, but it's sure not so silly an idea that you should LOL @ me.

The mega-pixel race is pretty much over industry-wide, and the consensus is that about 12Mp is all most of us need. Unless your friend routinely makes really huge prints from his landscape photos, he's probably not needing the higher Mp count of his D3X. That benefit might pale in his mind against the extraordinary high-ISO performance of the D3s, which has already produced some remarkable outdoor photographs that would otherwise be impossible... check it out:

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/digitalcamera/slr/d3s/sample.htm

If he doesn't JUST shoot landscapes - who does? - then he will remember other benefits of the D3 over the D3X, and the D3s trumps them with still more. Oh, and if he DOES want to make wall-sized prints from 12Mp images there is software that does a pretty good job of that.

So maybe, just maybe, you won't be laughing as long as you think.
Apologies if you were offended in any way...that wasn't my intention.

I just think that if someone upgraded from a d3 to a d3x then they clearly valued the advantages the d3x had over the d3.......it would seem a little counter intuitive for them to drop those advantages for the d3s, otherwise why did they go the d3x route in the first place. I suppose everyone has their various reasons for the gear they buy. I mean if i look closely at my choices i probably have some issues.

-i tend to always purchase the best i can afford (and sometimes not afford) because i value good reviews, even though i may not use the item to it's full potential

-i may buy stuff to cover every possible option even though some of those options may be rare occurrences or in some cases not al all- yet!

Before i bought my D300 i laboured long and hard over whether i should get a d3. I'm not a pro. I'm essentially still learning. I shoot all sorts, except i haven't done any sports. There was not alot of evidence to support my need of a d3 plus it's bigger and heavier thus i went d300 and have not looked back...but 2 years of d300 i do have some minor irks:

-viewfinder....this annoys me, i have to put an adapter on it to use the round eyepiece options (like magnifier etc). The protective doodah that slides on the d300 eyepiece keeps falling off....it is now lost in fact. I find the non-100% viewfinder increasingly bothering as i have to generally take 2-3 shoots before the composition is right on tight shots. I have 2 manual focus lens that i find near impossible to use efficiently due to difficulty securing focus (not sure d3 will cure this though)

-controls....i have lost count how many times i accidently jog the selector wheel while shooting, accidently moving my exposure...not a big deal really

Anyway, sorry to rattle on. For my shooting the d3x would be my dream. the extra MP means i essentially get a 2x crop factor for macro work......that aside if the price is right i will jump on this. Where is he?
 
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absolutely buy it, I just got one with 60k clicks and it still runs like a champ...1000 that is nothing...did this guy ever take it out of his house.
 
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