Very cool lenses, Hartblei Tilt and shift

Discussion in 'Lens Lust' started by Sunesha, May 20, 2007.

  1. Sunesha

    Sunesha

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    May 3, 2007
    Malmoe, Sweden
    The Hartblei lenses really got me going this morning. I really interested in them. Very cool design on them. I have secret dream to run around with large format old school camera. But this seems to be good.

    They have two product lines. One "russian" optics version and one fitted with zeiss optics. But the zeiss optic versions really are expensive.

    Anyone got any experience of this lenses?

    I did some research on the lenses, seems like the manufacturer got over old zeiss machine for making lenses. Then they did some prototypes fitted with zeiss optics and somehow got Carl Zeiss blessing to use them. The photos on the site demonstrating the zeiss version is fantastic. The cheaper line thou they dont showcase so much.



    Clicky: http://www.hartblei.de/en/index.htm

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  2. They are apparently asking 9000 Euros for the set of three (40/f4, 80/f2.8, 120/f4) tilt/shift lenses. Looking strictly at the photos, it would also seem that these lenses lack the AIS coupling to communicate aperture information (and I also assume that they're non-CPU). Thus they'd be stop-down metering only. That'd be inconvenient but hardly more so since these lenses would have to be operated at a snail's pace due to the tilting and shifting anyway.

    If I understood it correctly, the lenses will eventually be available at around 4300 Euros each. Wow!
     
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  3. Latens

    Latens

    77
    Oct 18, 2006
    Daniel,

    It seems an interesting option but if you want tilt and shift (and more) let me suggest a completely diferent aproach:

    Cambo X2-PRO system

    http://www.cambo.com/index.htm

    Horseman VCC

    http://www.komamura.co.jp/e/vcc.html

    The Cambo system can use a 28 lens, an advantage for architectural pictures.

    Cheers,

    Paulo
     
  4. DABO

    DABO

    Jan 13, 2006
    Thanks for those links, Paulo. Those are fantastic. I've been looking for those kinds of products for a long time.

    But, the Cambo looks WAY too complex for an amateur like me, and at $4000, forget about it. The Horseman looks just like I imagined this kind of product to look like. I want one, but at $2000, it's another forget about it (for me). I'll wait until someone does a knock-off of the Horseman, or I'll make one myself out of spare parts.

    DAB
     
  5. Sunesha

    Sunesha

    183
    May 3, 2007
    Malmoe, Sweden
    Paulo,

    Thats was some really interesting choices. Thou costing alot. Maybe you can ebay it for reasonable money.

    Just to able to tilt a lens give some new interesting way to be creative on. Heh, think I will go down and buy some lottery tickets again ;-)

    Cheers,
    daniel
     
  6. That Horseman is definitely something I am considering getting for my flower work.
     
  7. Latens

    Latens

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    Oct 18, 2006
    Daniel,

    You are right, but I still have some nostalgia of using something like this:

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    Anyway, the Hartblei isn't cheap from 2700 € to 4890 €, while the basic Horseman setup starts at € 1 198,00 without lens (that maybe can be found secondhand). The Cambo is in the same level of price, around 1200 euros (in Calumet site).

    Here's the link to the Horseman french reseller price list:

    http://www.legrandformat.com/Neuf/HORSEMAN.htm

    If some job shows up maybe I'll make that investment. Much cheaper than buying a digital back for large format, wich prices start at more than 10 times.

    Cheers,

    Paulo
     
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  8. Sunesha

    Sunesha

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    May 3, 2007
    Malmoe, Sweden
    I will think about, if I pay in dollars it would be same price as 17-55 in sweden. Dollar is low.

    1200 euro is like a pro lens.. Like the 12-24 here in sweden.

    Paulo, you are evil man. ;-) I feel like it start to become option. I just counted with old currency rates when swedish krona was low.

    As you can count it as "lens" somehow. Its kinda interestning.

    Cheers,
    Daniel
     
  9. DABO

    DABO

    Jan 13, 2006
    C'mon, Ed. When I saw that Cambo, I thought of you. All those high tech clamps and such. Go for it!

    DAB
     
  10. Sunesha

    Sunesha

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    May 3, 2007
    Malmoe, Sweden
  11. Latens

    Latens

    77
    Oct 18, 2006
    I Daniel,

    Thank you for the link, I think this is an alternative to medium format high end digital photography, it is more resourceful than tilt and shift lens but, as you very well put it, expensive unless you use it in your daily work. Maybe a combination of software (image correction+stitching) will be a solution (cheaper) for now. Seen great examples in several other threads. If you have some imagens with DXO correction will you let me see them?

    Cheers,

    Paulo
     
  12. Sunesha

    Sunesha

    183
    May 3, 2007
    Malmoe, Sweden
    Paulo,

    I think your right. I will probably spend some money on some solution as I like the idea of Scheemfer (cant remember the name) dof effect. That you can get extended dof.

    Just got 5 days trial left on DXO optics, thou cost 150 euro or something for the version that supports D80..

    Excuse my photos arnt postprocessed just raw and my import color preset from Adobe lightroom. But just working on this photo to correct some perspective distortion. The barrel correction is "automagic" from their software.

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    Distortion version. Also had to tilt the camera a bit for nicer horizon compostion.

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    1 Minute work. Thou will probably do the rest in Lightroom.

    The only bad thing I dont like with DXO they have alot off auto settings for color. Which I turn off as I dont really like them. I prefer do my color and that stuff in Adobe Lightroom. Also it fixs vignette "automagically" which I get at the wider end at my lens in small amount.

    Cheers,
    Daniel
     
  13. Sunesha

    Sunesha

    183
    May 3, 2007
    Malmoe, Sweden
    Oh I see now that I tilted the photo nudge to much.

    Cheers,
    Daniel
     
  14. Latens

    Latens

    77
    Oct 18, 2006
    Seems it works alright. It gives a strange kind of LL, software lust.

    Cheers,

    Paulo
     
  15. Sunesha

    Sunesha

    183
    May 3, 2007
    Malmoe, Sweden
    I also had trial of LensfixCL (mac software) from http://www.kekus.com/ .

    I worked with it alot this morning. It does the same thing as DXO optics. I even like the interface alot more. It is much more streamlined, also have Photoshop plugin. Also dont all the color and other RAW conversion which is plus.

    I found the DXO optics on the minus side had cluttery interface. Also I would just use the distorotion functions.

    It work from same lens distorotion database as the Windows PTlens:
    http://www.epaperpress.com/ptlens/index.html

    Best of all it cost 25 dollar which is bargain. So I bought right away. The author of the software is very service minded and reply to emails very fast.

    Thou software doesnt give you the same abilities in focus and DOF, it works good on perspective. I will probably invest in some system in future for this as architecture, landscape and urban are my favorite photo subjects.

    But for now I am able to fix perspective and my lens distortion for 25 dollar ;-).

    Cheers,
    Daniel
     
  16. What about a lensbaby lens? Ever consider one of these?
     
  17. As far as I know the Hartblei/Zeiss lenses are not yet available, or are they?

    There is also a review of the Hartblei Super-rotator.

    http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/hartblei45.shtml

    Practically, all lenses with tilt function are stop-down metering only. When I work with my 85/2.8 PC (although it has a CPU) I focuss with open aperture but meter with aperture closed. Even then it is often necessary to do some slight correction of exposure values.

    Novoflex, too, offers a tilt/shift bellows (BALPRO T/S) - for much less money.

    A pity that the good old Nikon PB-4 is offered so rarely.

    Cheers
     
  18. Latens

    Latens

    77
    Oct 18, 2006
    Harry,
    I supose PB-4 doesn't have tilt and shift, Novoflex BALPRO T/S does but limited and only adequate to tele/macro work reducing it's usefulness for architectural work.

    Fred,
    Lensbaby looks like it is a piece of glass (or plastic) with great creative potencial but i'm not sure it's useful for straight documental work.

    Best regards both,

    Paulo

    http://www.pbase.com/paulorbaptista/galleries
     
  19. The PB-4 does have T/S. It's the PB-6 that cannot do it.

    That's right. A pity that those WA-bellows (like Cambo Ultima) are so pricey. However, all these solutions require at least a 80mm lens on a SLR if you want to focus to infinity - which is a must for architectural work I guess.

    Cheers
     
  20. The lensbaby 3 should be since you can lock that version. They also have macro kits available. It runs about the same price for a 50mm Lensbabie and a 65mm Hartblei.
     
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