I think most people do get it. It is up to the bride/groom to choose their photographer. There isn't anything about "bait and switch" unless the photographer puts pics in their portfolio that they didn't take.The point keeps being made that some of you don't seem to be getting- a wedding doesn't have do-overs, so if the couple don't know what to look for in a photographer, and the "professional" can't take good pictures then the couple won't have good wedding photos.
The key point being "gets the shots that matter" becomes quite difficult with a slow lens in a poorly-lit venue without adding light.
That's like saying a new camera buyer should "get what they deserve" with the bait-and-switch outfits because "it's up to them to do due diligence"- and if we're to follow the "don't talk about it" rule- without all the reseller ratings, warning posts, blogs and all that. After all, it's just another retailer trying to make a living!
must be talking at cross purposes, if client saw work done on the "$1 disposable P&S camera" and then went ahead presume they would be happy with results if they were of similar quality to their wedding imagesIf it had *nothing* to do with equipment, everyone would be using $1 disposable P&S cameras.
It seems nowadays everyone with a dSLR thinks that they are a professional and can handle a wedding. Sadly enough you get what you pay for....I did offer...then realized she was shooting Canon. Would have been happy to let her borrow my speedlight and/or the f/1.8 lens - for the sake of the couple's happiness with the shots.
I've seen her work on her website. no Woulard here.
Ha. Thanks Jaytron, but I barely know what aperture is, let alone be able to take decent wedding photos (I've got a thread in the wedding photos section where I posted some of my recent shots looking for feedback). I'm not remotely willing to take on that risk. To me the photos of a wedding day are the most important part of the day and I wouldn't want to take on a job that I didn't think I could perform to the highest standards. I did feel bad, though, as I think she was intimidated by the amount of equipment I brought to grab some shots of the details of the wedding (so much so that I put most of the stuff back in the car once I realized she was uncomfortable and just grabbed my body+35mm to shoot the interior shots)Maybe she skimped out because she knew you were going Rob..
Well stated.I am a wedding photog. from a small town in Oregon. Oddly enough, business is so dry here that for the last 2 years all my weddings have been up near the Canadian border.
As a wedding photog, I can see what the OP is saying. Even if someone is talented, I've shot weddings where my fast gear literally saved the day...so it is remarkable to me that someone would attempt to shoot the wedding with the 18-200 and no flash (even though some venues won't allow it during the cermony, I cannot imagine not having it for fill during formals).
On the other hand...given the current trend of the wedding market (or lack thereof) & the current financial bind so many find themselves in these days...I can say that lots of people are not "looking at portfolios and choosing who is best". Truly. I'm in contact with brides throughout the year. In the current market, so many people are determining that professional photographs aren't as important to them as the location for the wedding or even the extra $ for the honeymoon.
With the advent of consumer grade dslr photography gear being available to so much of the general public, I've had several prospective brides say to me "I'm okay with "uncle Bob" (or whoever) just taking memory shots...I don't need pro shots". There are some who still want pro shots but (at least in my market) the decline has been very noticeable. My daughter (who is a photographer herself) was married a couple of years ago and chose to use the $ for the photog on the honeymoon. She said "mom...do you really think that if we can have 4 more days in Hawaii, I'm going to say 'no let's spend it on a photographer...when so many people will be shooting anyway and giving us their shots?' ".
So consequently, I'm seeing many more people who are shooting their first weddings or shooting weddings for a "gift" and the brides being very content with that.
As a photographer, I am shocked. As a person who's been affected by the current trend/economy. I understand.
Don't be disappointed for starting the thread. A lot of us hear what you are saying. It is surprising to see someone that isn't ready for all situations with a payed gig, not that they had an 18-200. Although having more equipment than the hired person begs the question, do you look like an obsessed person with all of this money and equipment invested into taking pictures? :tongue: I don't ask my wife that.I'm actually a little disapointed in myself for starting this thread. I simply started it to mention the fact that the photographer actually thought that a f/3.5 lens was adequate for indoor/night photography and that a "professional" didn't have a flash....kinda surprised me...that's all. I'm completely unqualified to make any photography statements and I still realize that with poor lighting you need some sort of way to get good shots. I wasn't trying to bash the photographer in any way, as I'm sure 99% of the photos she passes onto the couple will be more than adequate for their needs.
Your post is right on and this last statement is a good way to sum up the state of photography opportunities today. Realize the state we are in today with opportunities and figure out how to work around it and move on.As a photographer, I am shocked. As a person who's been affected by the current trend/economy. I understand.
One of my friends, who's also my business partner in an IT company got very upset when I refused to shoot his wedding (I don't do weddings.) They went without a photographer (I didn't even bring my camera though.)I'm finding more and more that people are willing to hire a friend with a Digital SLR to shoot their wedding. Seems crazy to me.
I hired a backup photographer for the last (and possibly the Last) wedding I photographed. She got the better deal, even though I made more than twice as much from it. But to just shoot, then turn over the memory cards and collect the dough is nice! I'd like to be a professional back-up shooter.... it was quite an experience and i would actually like to shoot backup again a few more times just to get comfortable in the setting. ...
I hired a backup photographer for the last (and possibly the Last) wedding I photographed. She got the better deal, even though I made more than twice as much from it. But to just shoot, then turn over the memory cards and collect the dough is nice! I'd like to be a professional back-up shooter.