When Will A FX Prosumer Body Come?

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When, if ever, will Nikon market a FX prosumer body? Is it impossible that the D80 replacement would be FX (i.e., certain that Nikon would want to keep FX at or above the Dxxx line)?

(Just trying to begin to get an idea of future lens and body purchases. With 5th child coming in September (and assuming gradual, steady skill improvement), I think the tentative "5-year" line up is (1) AF-S prime (35mm) [September, crossed fingers], (2) 16-85 VR replacing 18-55 VR [Christmas Money], [wait a year and take lots of pics] (3) Body or 70-200 VR, (4) body or 24-70 (replacing 16-85?).)

Who knows, but I am interested in your thoughts of FX trickle down.
 
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I don't think it will happen, Nikon has made 11 DX lenses introducing their most recent, the 16-85 just this year. Also I think there are a large number of photographers that like the DX format. I think Nikon will, for at least the foreseeable future, have a camera like the D300 as the divider between the FX and DX lines. as a side note I also think that by naming the new lower cost FX camera the D700 they have shown that they want room in their future numbering system for the future replacements of the D300. Actually I would not be surprised if at some time in the future FX went away, Electronics are always improving and at some point sensors that are small will perform better than current larger sensors and people tend to like smaller. How would you like a camera the size of a P&S that you could fit in a pocket that out performed a D3?

the advancement in sensor technology can't really be linked with the development of consumer electronics in the way you imply because an imaging sensor is a very analog device. the theoretical maximum performance is directly related to the size of the pixels. instead expect improvements in semiconductor manufacturing to bring down the costs of making large sensors cheaper. there are ways to drastically improve the light sensing abilities of current sensors but the additional procedures required make it unfeasible for consumer cameras. <- my D3 is still a consumer camera BTW.
 
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I knew it in my heart, but didn't want to admit it in my (empty) hip pocket! :Sad:

Realistically, it will be more than 5 years before I will be able to afford/justify the purchase of a D300-class camera. If FX were to trickle down to the D70/80 class within that time, it would affect my lense purchases now more directly (e.g., if no FX in that class, then the 17-55 would remain a viable, intermediate/long-term lens). One man's prosumer is another man's consumer, I guess, as it should be!
 
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I think that the desire of people to have smaller will always be a strong factor in the future of digital photography. . .
"Smaller" is kind of an interesting issue in the American consumption of digital electronics. The really tiny cell phones (e.g., penphones) that penetrated Asian markets, never really caught on here, because American's perceive these as non-durable and tend to want rugged, larger form factors. Cars too, until recently, I guess. Heh.
 
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When, if ever, will Nikon market a FX prosumer body? Is it impossible that the D80 replacement would be FX (i.e., certain that Nikon would want to keep FX at or above the Dxxx line)?

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I think that the main hindrance for a FX body in D80 class is the price. Nikon will introduce one when they can manufacture and sell it within the D80 class price bracket.

The D700 internals cost a lot currently and even using a smaller plastic body and slower FPS might still set total price at least twice as high as the current D80. Things might look very different in 12 to 18 months and a D95 may be possible in the $1000 range.
 
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Digital photography as we know it today is light years ahead of how it looked 10 years ago and in another 10 we will look back and laugh

I think the next step is to upgrade reality to match the cameras we use to capture it.
 
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Hi,
I think that the main hindrance for a FX body in D80 class is the price. Nikon will introduce one when they can manufacture and sell it within the D80 class price bracket.

Yes, the main cost is the sensor which precludes a D80 class FX camera. But, if the Sony sensor rumours are true, it might be that a $2000 FX camera could be a reality soon.
 
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Smaller is not always better due to the laws of Physics. In this case diffraction is the limiting factor. Smaller sensors need smaller lenses with smaller apertures and hence more diffraction.

Actually another factor is ergonomics. I'd much rather shoot with a D200 than a small compact.

Oh and the FX "prosumer" camera is already here.

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what if the electronics are improved to increase the sensitivity of each photo site so that smaller photo sites can be more sensitive than current larger ones? if the electronics of the sites themselves improve to the point where this can be done then the noise issues associated with smaller sites will not be an issue.

if this can not be done, what if the electronics used to boost the ISO of smaller sensors can be improved so that it can do so without producing noise. after all we are basically talking about amplification here, current technology does not allow the information from the sensor to be "amplified" with out introducing noise, but that does not mean that in the future better amplification technology will not exist.

or how about if a company comes up with an entire new technology that doesn't even use photo sites as we know them perhaps a sensor that has a surface that is sensitive to light more like film.

Digital photography as we know it today is light years ahead of how it looked 10 years ago and in another 10 we will look back and laugh

I think that the desire of people to have smaller will always be a strong factor in the future of digital photography. Just look at the history of film - as great as the larger formats were there was a constant move to make smaller format cameras. 35mm was far from the best, but it was the most popular because it was the smallest that could produce professional results - heck back when I shot for Desert Magazine they wouldn't even accept color from a 35mm, their minimum was 2 1/4 square.

because fundamentally, its not about the electronics. there is noise floor due to the number of photons collected.
 
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Edward - As they improve the performance of the smaller pixels, I think that it is safe to say that they will also improve the performance of the larger pixels on full frame sensors. I'm not an engineer, but I think that it is likely that the larger pixels will always have superior light handling capabilities. In addition, cameras like the top-of-the-line Canon will probably always have the edge on pixel density. Somewhat better light handling combined with pixel density should keep FF sensors around for studio and landscape work for a long time. With that said, I'm planning on getting the replacement for the D300 when it comes out. I like the crop factor on the DX sensor a lot.
 
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Assuming that D300 replacement will be crop camera, of course..

As for the original question, affordable FF is already here. But, if you want FF in a 1,000$ camera, keep waiting..
 
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Olympus and Leica Panasonic are doing the smaller thing.3/4
 
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sure they will ...what nikon did with the d300/d3 is just the beggining. my gosh, look at the d700. basically the same camera as the d3 for 2k less in just what, 8 months?

just watch them roll em out. better, smaller, cheaper!!!
..and hey, rumor has it canon is working on 3 new chips as we speak. and we're talkin ultra LOW noise!

exciting times folks
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