I'm sure there's others on the same quest as I... I don't care how mint condition my lenses are, as long as they take good pictures. It seems like a lot of used places only tend to sell really good condition lenses, with the exception of UG-rated lenses on KEH, which I've owned several of, and they're just fine for me. :biggrin: And I know National Graphic Supply has some beaters from time to time too. Does anyone have any other sources of beater lenses? Surely there must be other places like NGS that sell lenses that were used at newspapers and photo agencies.